re: Poker & Good Bluff or Bad Line?
Originally Posted by asedu
bad/ all bad
1. you are trying to bluff at NL2 =)
2. your 3bet with Q5s here is just.... 0_o
3. your ops seems to be tight TAG so strong pairs and Ax highs are in his range 100% that is even more indicative with 3bet of 9bb call (you would not call something like that even from a very bad player with 89s) so ~AJs+ ~TT+ something like that atleast!
4. (what he sees) you 3bet him so you must have something good too A5s+ 88+. The bords is nothing. The only hands you could be having (in his mind) that could be betting/callling for protection are AJo/s+(~48hands)a в some wired pairs that you overplayed like 77/88/99. He had too much inversted + % of winning is to big at this bord for him to fold here to any bet. If you are trying to show a set/2 pair... well think like this would you 3bet 9bb with 66/44/22/64/42...? =). If you are showing QQ-AA than most likely you would shove that hand PRF vs his 3bb raise PRF or shoved/3bet shoved on the flop
5. is were you go .... far =). Again what are you trying to show set/boat - no, over pair to JJ, thas 18 hands... not really happening here unless you slow rolled them, but from what I can see how you play and what you defend here its really unlikely for you to value bet 3 streets AA or KK
6. I think your problems started PRF. Why would you 3bet a TAG/almost a NIT at 6-max with somethink like Q5s. You are dominted so easy + even when you do hit you Q... In addition you bluff is supposed to show QQ-AA or a set. Set of 4/6/2 would not make much sence. QQ-AA are shoved and even than that like 18 hands
In response to this, as I feel like it needs addressing:
1. Granted, bluffing isn't always the best at 2NL. Normally it's just value bets and keep the bluffing at a minimum, and you'll see the best return. However, in certain spots, if you're not willing to bluff against regulars then you will become exploitable. So, at certain times where it can be profitable, it is necessary to bluff at 2NL against regulars who are capable of folding. I keep it to a minimum of course, but it's still a necessary component to a winning strategy.
2. As I mentioned, I normally like 3betting with suited connectors or suited, wheel aces. The Q5s 3Bet was certainly loose, and probably not the best hand to do it with considering blockers were minimal. However, 3betting suited kings and queens from the blinds can become profitable if used conservatively. This is a very rare occurrence from me and the only reason I did it was because of the table dynamics I mentioned above.
3. If the range you mentioned is the only range you're calling with on the button to SB/BB three bets, I guarantee you are making mistakes and folding too much. You become wayyy too easy to play against when ranges are wide and this is probably a leak in your own game that I would look into. If you are folding 99s, ATs, KJs, QJs, and similar hands, you are folding too many hands and the range you constructed is wayyyy too tight to be profitable. So I don't think this is a reasonable assumption to make for any decent player opening on the button.
4. Again, your explanation is too narrow of what my percieved range could be. When I jam on the turn, I'm obviously representing strong overpairs (10s+) and strong combo draws. His JJ should never fold here and I recognized that, and if I knew he was flatting hands as strong as JJ this might make this play more questionable. However, considering how many hands he is likely flatting my 3bet with and floating the flop, I think my check jam folds out everything but 88s or 99s+, his ace high and king high floats and draws that have equity literally always have to fold the turn considering the price. I ran into the top of his range here, obviously and that is not folding. However, I believe enough of his range that gets there on the turn HAS to fold to my jam here and it would be luducrious to bet call with anything less than 88s or 99s here.
5. What you're saying doesn't make sense, try to elaborate on point #5.
6. 3Betting a NIT with q5s is actually the BEST play here. They will fold way too much and will fold strong hands that they should be flatting with, which makes this play way more profitable as opposed to three betting a calling station or a fish. You should read up more on how to exploit NITS and tight players, as 3betting them light is literally the best way to make money from them as they don't like putting in a lot of money unless they have the nuts or a very strong hand. So your point here doesn't really make a lot of sense either, as light 3bets against a NIT is actually one of the more profitable approaches to getting money out of them.
Some aspects of my bluff are bad and may be considered crazy, but I think there is something to be learned from it as well and it isn't all bad. Expand those horizons