Folding the best hand?

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I hate that feeling when I lay down top two pair because someone bets like they've made a set.

I have $27 stack, holding AQ spades, board is 9s, Qd, Ac.

One person bets $10 in a .25 and .50 cent game, another person raises all-in to $27. I hit the timer, and decide to fold because I didn't want to lose what amounted to 50% of my stack on Full Tilt. But, as those two fought it out, they were both holding A9 and Q9. Turn and river are both blanks.

I'm kicking myself for not tripling up, but I'm trying to convince myself I made an alright decision.
 
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i would never ever fold top 2 with only 50bbs on that board. if that is 50% of your BR on FT, then it is your own fault for playing ridiculously out of your BR. If you can't call a shove in this situation, you are playing with scared money and will play badly, because you won't be able to make the plays you haev to.
 
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^^Agree with everything feitr said.

Bad bad bankroll management. This was a bad decision brought on by bad BRM. It may be a bit harsh but you can't lay down top two pair when you're playing with 50BB and you only have 100BB in your bankroll. You should be playing stakes that are 10x lower than this at least.
 
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That's what I was afraid of. In my defense, I had tripled up two hands previous and was waiting for the big blind to leave the game.
 
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Tripled up means you were playing with 1/6 of your bankroll before. It's a bit better, but proper BRM is generally considered around 20 buyins (1000+ BB total).
 
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Tripled up means you were playing with 1/6 of your bankroll before. It's a bit better, but proper BRM is generally considered around 20 buyins (1000+ BB total).

1/4*

Either deposit more, or start grinding 3$ sngs imo. FT rake on micro cash games is highway robbery, so i wouldn't move to cash until you have enough for 25NL (and no $100 is not enough for 25NL ;P).
 
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1/4*

Either deposit more, or start grinding 3$ sngs imo. FT rake on micro cash games is highway robbery, so i wouldn't move to cash until you have enough for 25NL (and no $100 is not enough for 25NL ;P).

Yes, it was about a fourth. Around $45 br, $10 buy-in, down to $9, hit a set, $27 bones. Brings total BR to $62 with 43.5% in play. But AQ with limpers is hard to resist when you're waiting for UTG to leave the game.

Hmmm... perhaps patience is one of the holes in my game? LOL.
 
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I assure you, if you do not move down to very small buy in sngs/cash games, you'll be broke within a week (and probably a few days), unless you get extremely extremely lucky. And if you want to get lucky, you are better off putting all your roll on a few spins of a roulette roll.
 
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But you guys are both right about the BRM. If I wasn't thinking about the loss of $27, there's no way I would let that hand go.

If I was in a tournament, I would have no-brain called those guys. Thank you for helping me find a hole in my cash games that should've been very easy to see.
 
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I assure you, if you do not move down to very small buy in sngs/cash games, you'll be broke within a week (and probably a few days), unless you get extremely extremely lucky. And if you want to get lucky, you are better off putting all your roll on a few spins of a roulette roll.

Yes, I'll be at the 5-10 cent tables and playing freerolls until I can grind it up to $500.
 
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If you were playing at the stakes you were supposed to be playing, it would've been an easier decision to call..so the only thing I'm gonna say is to not make so much ride on one ring game session.
 
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It's totally up to you, but i would completely advise against playing NL10. First of all, it is way out of your BR (6 buy ins is nothing...one small bad run and you are broke). Not only that, but FT charges 10% rake for NL10 and below i believe, and this makes the games incredibly hard to beat.

I really would just grind your ass off at micro sngs (try not to play the ridiculous rake sngs tho...i don't play at FT but i think the 1/2$ sngs are really bad for rake) and try to get to $500 or so and then start nl25.

I really do think that playing NL10 at FT is probably going to make you smash your head in in frustration. 10% rake with 6 buy ins is an incredibly long shot of ever starting a roll.

Starting a roll is incredibly frustrating, but if you do it right there is very little chance of going broke, even if it takes you a while to move up, and then in a little while you should start to see the results when you are rolled for cash games. If you try to go from $60 to $500 in two weeks, you might do it 1 out of 30 times, but the other 29 times you'll be broke in a couple of days.
 
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Folding the Winner

I think we have all been there at one point or another...

the other guy starts splashing chips around, to making you think he has a bigger hand then your Pocket AA... that perhaps he caught a straight or a backdoor flush...

but the worst feeling is when you fold the best hand... and the other player shows you his hand... and he had nothing...

now that really burns....
 
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