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Beanfacekilla

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I just got felted at the cardroom. I was so mad, I didnt even bother buying back in. I would be tilted, and not play well if I did.

I am UTG +2. About $250.
UTG $400+
UTG +1 $160

UTG raises preflop to $16 ($1/$2)
UTG+1 calls
I look down at As-Kd, I contemplate raising, but I just flat call because I dont want to open door for reraise.

Flop:
3d-Kc-7c

UTG bets $35
UTG+1 folds
I think, and based on UTG's table image, I think I am way ahead. The FD worries me.
I raise to $70.
UTG Reraises to $120.
I shove.
INSTA-call from UTG.

Turn:
10c

River
Ah

UTG announces "flush" and rolls over Ac-4c.


Yesterday I got sucked out twice just like this, but I didn't get felted.

Today I got felted.

I would never play like this. I rarely make a flush draw, let alone play it like it's the nutz.

I would estimate That I actually make a flush draw in a similar spot 1 in 7, and the odds are actually better than that. I just never get flush draws. I won't chase them unless I am getting 5:1 pot odds usually.

This girl just plays like she already has the flush. Raising OOP with Ac-4c, then paying $200+ to chase the draw. I just think UTG played the hand terribly from start to finish, but she is rewarded by turning the nut flush.

Am I wrong? Was she correct? I would never raise OOP with A-4 suited or not... But people run these flushes down on me so often, I am starting to wonder if I don't know what the heck I am doing....

I already observed she raised some questionable hands OOP. She raised A-J off for like $25 preflop. I consider that a little loose OOP. But what do I know. Maybe nothing.

Constructive criticism would be appreciated. Did I play the hand wrong? I had a good read, and I was pretty sure the best she had was A-K, and we may be chopping. But I did consider the flush draw. I think I played the hand correctly, and I would do the same again. I really need to know how I should have played this differently if possible.

P.s. UTG was transparent with her bet sizing. Bigger raise Preflop=better cards. I was correct in my read.

Give me your thoughts cardschat.
 
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After further thought, I think this is potentially a huge leak in my game. Perhaps it would be best in the future to just call. Then I can get out if the flush comes.

However, when I find myself in situations like this, I always play super aggressive. I trust my reads (which surprisingly are accurate most of the time).

I am going to pound the crap out of my drums. Thanks in advance for advice and tips.
 
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Definitely 3 bet pre. Raise more on the flop. As for the hand result, you got it in with the best hand, shame you didnt win.

You also dont need 5:1 to chase a flush. 2:1 is more than enough in the right situations.

You also say she raised more with better cards? So 16 was one of her smaller raises?
 
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Yeah 16 was a smallish raise for her.

I didn't 3 bet pre because I don't really like A-K all that much. However, I believe I would have had to make it $50+ to get her to fold. That is too much for A-K for me.

In hindsight though, 3 bet for $60 would have probably taken it down right there.
 
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If you think you're for sure good on the flop, then I'm happy getting it in. But I'd want to be pretty damn sure.

Getting it in as a favourite is never a leak!? Provided they will always call with worse.

3b pre. $40 seems fine

As played, you minraised the flop. So raise more.

I'm surprised you weren't super suss of villain minrising your minraise. Maybe onlines just made me a nit, but I'd never ever ever 4b shove a flop with top pair top kick. You are incredibly lucky to be called by a worse hand.
 
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I really thought I had her on the flop for sure. I was confident with my read. The 3 bet didn't phase me.

I was correct after all, but it doesn't matter. She is probably still sitting there beating people up with some of my money.

Thanks for your advice.
 
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If you think you're for sure good on the flop, then I'm happy getting it in. But I'd want to be pretty damn sure.

Getting it in as a favourite is never a leak!?

3b pre.

As played, you minraised the flop. So raise more.

I'm surprised you weren't super suss of villain minrising your minraise. Maybe onlines just made me a nit, but I'd never ever ever 4b shove a flop with top pair top kick

Live poker is such a fishfest, but I'd still be more cautious with TPTK, depends on the villain and reads, but probably getting it in.

As for 3 betting pre, we arent doing it to get her to fold. We're trying to get her to make a mistake by calling with weaker hands, we're in position I would be happy playing a big pot.
 
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3-bet pre. The reason is because you're in early position and you want to ISO UTG. He's raising 8x UTG, he's obv spewey, and I'll bet my hat he did some shit like this before with some weird QJs or something.

As played, get it in on the flop.
 
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Live poker is such a fishfest, but I'd still be more cautious with TPTK, depends on the villain and reads, but probably getting it in.

As for 3 betting pre, we arent doing it to get her to fold. We're trying to get her to make a mistake by calling with weaker hands, we're in position I would be happy playing a big pot.

Oh ok. That makes sense. Thanks.
 
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3-bet pre. The reason is because you're in early position and you want to ISO UTG. He's raising 8x UTG, he's obv spewey, and I'll bet my hat he did some shit like this before with some weird QJs or something.

As played, get it in on the flop.

In these live poker rooms, with 1/2 blinds, $7 is getting called by at least 5 people (and thats 3.5x). A decent raise to thin the herd is around $12-15.

8x BB is pretty standard at rooms like these. People are very aggressive. Especially people who are running hot and have 2+ BI's in front of them.
 
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One more tidbit of info I forgot to add regarding villain's table image:

The A-J off that she raised OOP for $25;

She bet the flop, and dude shoves on her, and she snap calls. She held middle pair on the flop (jacks), and they ended up chopping because the A they both held made broadway.

The dude who shoved had A-Q and made TPTK. He got counterfeited for sure.

That info also helped me with my read against her.
 
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If you think you're for sure good on the flop, then I'm happy getting it in. But I'd want to be pretty damn sure.

Getting it in as a favourite is never a leak!? Provided they will always call with worse.

3b pre. $40 seems fine

As played, you minraised the flop. So raise more.

I'm surprised you weren't super suss of villain minrising your minraise. Maybe onlines just made me a nit, but I'd never ever ever 4b shove a flop with top pair top kick. You are incredibly lucky to be called by a worse hand.
I think online has made you lord of the nits dude
Hero has played this hand passivelly pre and by the time he reraises the flop (correctly) , he has put $86.
What do you think his best moove is once he is 4bet with a SPR of 0.5 with his TPTK ?
Shove with TPTK is his only option IMO, and with this bet sizing you should be 4betting all in with TPTK on any flop everytime, especially live , espacialy at these stakes .
please correct me if im wrong
 
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