Flopped top set. Did I bet the right amount?

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Deceitful_Frank

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$2 NLHE
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 8: Bodiless1 ( $0.65 USD )
Seat 6: Evgesha1988 ( $0.58 USD )
Seat 5: Fantasti333 ( $2.13 USD )
Seat 3: IvanLazarev ( $2.56 USD )
Seat 9: Lamandrionn ( $2 USD )
Seat 4: HERO ( $3.24 USD )
Seat 7: Yok52 ( $1.08 USD )
Seat 1: skyzero888 ( $1.96 USD )
Seat 2: x7xMAXIMx7x ( $2 USD )
Yok52 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Bodiless1 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 8c 8h ]
skyzero888 calls [$0.02 USD]
x7xMAXIMx7x folds
IvanLazarev folds
HERO raises [$0.08 USD]
Fantasti333 folds
Yok52 folds
Bodiless1 folds
skyzero888 calls [$0.06 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 2d, 5c ]
skyzero888 checks
Your time bank will be activated in 6 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
HERO bets [$0.14 USD]
skyzero888 folds
HERO does not show cards.
HERO wins $0.33 USD

Hey guys, I just played the above hand where I flopped top set. I knew I had the best hand after the flop but was worried about villain drawing to a flush on the turn or river but facing just one other guy, it didnt bother me THAT much. I knew there was a slim chance he might have two diamonds and if he did he yould have a 1/3 chance to make the flush on the turn and river but I could also be drawing to a full house with about the same odds. Does this cancel out the threat of the flush?

Should I also have checked after the flop or put in a smaller bet that would not have scared him off? I am sure there is a mathematically correct bet that would get more money into the pot whilst giving me good pot odds but they only allow 15 seconds to make your mind up!

What do you guys think? Did I play this too safe?

Thanks in advance as always!

Frank.
 
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you can probably check here and let him catch up a little. most of it will rely on you putting the guy on a preflop range, if hes been limping with suited connectors hands like that, this flop could be dangerous, if he only limps with KJ type hands or pairs, then i think its fine to check and let him catch up. depends on the player though.. make sure your thinking about what your going to do in certain situations before they happen, its a little like chess, you have to be thinking in advance about what hands he likely has, then choose the best action.
 
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You have no reason not to bet this flop. On the micro's peoples biggest mistake seems to be slowplaying far too much.

Moving this to HA.

In future please try to use a hand convertor and to leave out the results of the hand.
 
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Hmmm... Pokerstove puts me at a 92% favourite after the turn but against totally random cards though I would assume AK of diamonds would be the worst possible cards he could have? Even these would make me a nearly 75% to win so as long as I am contributing less than 25% of the pot when the turn card comes I should be good yes?

I think in the future in a similar position I will choose either a 1/4 pot bet and hope it looks like a probe and I get raised or I will check and not worry TOO much untill I have seen the turn.

Am I missing something here?
 
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In future please try to use a hand convertor and to leave out the results of the hand.

Sorry, I am quite new to all this, could you explain what you mean?
 
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though I would assume AK of diamonds would be the worst possible cards he could have?
67dd and 43dd are obvs the the hands that have the most equity against us.


As for the hand there is no reason not to bet the flop imo.
There is a straight and flush draw out there and asuming villain is your "standard" horrible 2nl player that limps from UTG with any pair, some broadways and small suited conectors he is gonna be calling with a pretty big range on the flop.

The main mistake micro players do is calling to much, not betting/raising or bluffing so giving him the chance to make his favorite mistake can never be wrong.


+1 for converted hands and leaving out results :).
 
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why do you want to give a free card if flush can beat you? I don't understand ?!

Take it when you can and go for the next hand. If he has a flush draw, he will call and then you have another decision on the turn depending on the card,but flop raise is the right play!
 
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why do you want to give a free card if flush can beat you? I don't understand ?!

Take it when you can and go for the next hand. If he has a flush draw, he will call and then you have another decision on the turn depending on the card,but flop raise is the right play!

Well I think the main reason why I didnt just take the money and go is because its not everyday you flop such a solid and well diguised hand as top set. Villain had a full stack and so did I. Should I not be extracting maximum value from every hand when I can?

I was under the impression there was far more money to be made post flop than pre...

You are saying I should throw away this opportunity and go back to squabbling over blinds for another 20 minutes just in case he MIGHT have called my raise with crappy connectors or COULD have one or two of the ten diamonds in the deck and in that case be 30-35% to win?!

Isn't poker about taking calculated risks and reaping the rewards of brave but considered play?

EDIT:

Think I got the knack...

party poker $2 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 395504
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $1.96
UTG+1: $2.00
MP: $2.56
Hero (CO): $3.24
BTN: $2.13
SB: $1.08
BB: $0.65

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 8 8
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.19) 8 2 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.14, UTG folds

Final Pot: $0.19
Hero mucks 8 8
Hero wins $0.19
 
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Yeah I agree with the masses. If the flop was a little different then I'd say check/raise.

For instance if you flopped 8d 2c Kh definitely check/call and pot raise on the turn. Personally... that's what I would do.

But you did the right thing. You had to bet out there due to the straight and flush draw possibilities. Not very profitable for a set because you have to bet 2/3 pot or full pot so they have to pay to chase.
 
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