Flopped set w/ scary board

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Never am sure how to play these. Would love to get some input here. TIA!

PokerStars Game #19264933963: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/01 - 01:56:02 (ET)
Table 'Rupertwildt' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: wouldj ($35 in chips)
Seat 2: 42scraggle ($30 in chips)
Seat 3: insolitude ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 4: THEGAMEISOVA ($42.25 in chips)
Seat 5: redashford ($25.50 in chips)
Seat 6: nobluffz ($26.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Evil97 ($21.95 in chips)
Seat 8: jsmith44 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 9: flippy52 ($48.20 in chips)
Evil97: posts small blind $0.10
jsmith44: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insolitude [9h 9s]
flippy52: folds
wouldj: folds
42scraggle: raises $0.50 to $0.75
insolitude: calls $0.75
THEGAMEISOVA: calls $0.75
redashford: folds
nobluffz: folds
Evil97: folds
jsmith44: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 9c Qs]
42scraggle: bets $2.25
insolitude: ???
 
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call. see what hits 4th. 10 K or 8 is bad.
 
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K/10, 8/10, Q/10suited clubs seems like an unlikely raise that early in position (maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe K/10suited). This is one of those situations where you make your decision on how the person who raises plays.

If they are loose, I would definitely at LEAST call to see if they're packing anything worthwhile (though honestly I would re-raise to test their hole cards). If the card they were fishing for comes on the turn, then you're probably gonna have to fold it. If the turn doesn't help them, then raise the check and reraise whatever they put and see where that goes. If you haven't seen this guy in action, and dunno if he's tight or loose, best to just take it easy.

The re-raise will only work if you have a tight image too. If you've been getting a lot of folds & mucking with big raises/re-raises, or someone exposes one of your bluffs recently, expect fireworks.

If the person is tight, best to fold it. You're probably running into higher trips.

If this is bad advice, someone tell me, because what I said is basically what I'd do myself on a hand like this.
 
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Okay, here's a little more. Thoughts on the turn?

insolitude: calls $2.25 (figured I'd call and see the turn)
THEGAMEISOVA: calls $2.25
*** TURN *** [Jc 9c Qs] [Jh]
42scraggle: checks
insolitude: ??? (remember one player to act after me)
 
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Its just me, but with a boat, either low or high, I take my chances and start throwing out some chips. odds are astronomical for someone to have quads or higher boat. Make your $$$$$$ HERE.
 
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You flop a set in a multi-way pot, on an action flop, where a ton of turn cards can kill your hand, and call?

RAISE IT UP!

Raise the flop bet to about $7, call a shove, or get it in on any turn card. There's SOOOOO many hands that you have crushed that give you action on this board, that slow playing is about the worst option. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but this is such a major leak.
 
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Okay, so I got what I wanted -- which was all of my $ in this pot. I figure my FH is good and get all my $ in the pot, but I was wrong.

dsvw56, I am usually a bit soft in these situations because I obviously have a monster and don't want to scare off the competition. The problem with this particular board is it did have the potential to beat me. So I merely called the flop thinking I could get away from the hand to an obvious straight (K/T/8) on the turn -- and possibly even with a flush draw on the turn (although in truth I probably wouldn't have folded in this instance, although maybe I should).

So I think in the future I agree I should raise the flop, because my set is far from invincible. Of course, at this level you could easily see someone playing KT -- so say I raise the flop and get re-raised all-in (by KT or a flush draw). That's a hard call IMO -- anyone have any further thoughts?

insolitude: checks
THEGAMEISOVA: checks
*** RIVER *** [Jc 9c Qs Jh] [5d]
42scraggle: bets $8
insolitude: raises $10.25 to $18.25
THEGAMEISOVA: folds
42scraggle: raises $8.75 to $27 and is all-in
insolitude: calls $3.15 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($5.60) returned to 42scraggle
*** SHOW DOWN ***
42scraggle: shows [Jd Qd] (a full house, Jacks full of Queens)
insolitude: mucks hand
42scraggle collected $49.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52.15 | Rake $2.55
Board [Jc 9c Qs Jh 5d]
Seat 1: wouldj folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 42scraggle showed [Jd Qd] and won ($49.60) with a full house, Jacks full of Queens
Seat 3: insolitude mucked [9h 9s]
Seat 4: THEGAMEISOVA folded on the River
Seat 5: redashford folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: nobluffz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Evil97 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jsmith44 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: flippy52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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raise the flop so that it turns into a bad beat not a cooler.

With so many bad cards that can possibly hit the turn, you need to raise and look to get your stack in on that flop every time
 
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The 'speed' at which you want to play your hands is a function of how likely your opponent is to have a big hand (or to bluff over the top of your raise), and how drawy the board is.

The risk is double - there are both cards that can fall that kill your hand (cough cough...the jack), but there are also cards that can kill your action. If he's got aces here he may not stack you if a queen drops for example.

So ya, raise flop every time.
 
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Lol at both FH's checking the turn. It's like let's see who can out slowplay the other.
 
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raise flop, call shove, etc etc...you are miles ahead of villain's range here on the flop and there are many many many worse hands that villain will continue with/get in on the flop. Your whole logic is really off, as are many of the posts in this thread. There should never be any thought of "oh i'll call and see waht the turn brings" because some cards will kill action/make it hard for you to continue (T for example) and when a brick hits, ppl will be less inclined to get their money in the middle with draws/combo draws (read: worse hands) on the turn.
 
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Okay, so I got what I wanted -- which was all of my $ in this pot. I figure my FH is good and get all my $ in the pot, but I was wrong.

dsvw56, I am usually a bit soft in these situations because I obviously have a monster and don't want to scare off the competition. The problem with this particular board is it did have the potential to beat me. So I merely called the flop thinking I could get away from the hand to an obvious straight (K/T/8) on the turn -- and possibly even with a flush draw on the turn (although in truth I probably wouldn't have folded in this instance, although maybe I should).

So I think in the future I agree I should raise the flop, because my set is far from invincible. Of course, at this level you could easily see someone playing KT -- so say I raise the flop and get re-raised all-in (by KT or a flush draw). That's a hard call IMO -- anyone have any further thoughts?

yea like i was saying...this is really bad logic. You don't want to get away from a hand when you are a billion miles ahead of somebody's range. It is highly unlikely you scare anybody away from this flop. There are many hands that have gutshots and overs/OESDs/OESDs + pairs/FDs/FDs + SD of some kind/overpairs etc etc that are going to be putting money in (or reraising all in) with a worse hand. The odds of KT here is TINY and even if they do then who cares...you still have 1:2 odds to win the pot and it is a cooler, nothing more nothing less.

So put money in the pot when you are ahead and when villain is prepared to put money in with the worst of it and snap call a shove. You shouldn't even think of folding to a shove on such a drawy board, because there are 2340928304928394 draws/combo draws that you are ahead of that would shove this flop.
 
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Wow, thanks everyone -- very helpful input all around!
 
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