€50 NLHE Full Ring: River vs Aggro Reg

22/18 over 5k

dude raises 44% cbets
I was planning on snapping a shove but he bets 22 into 36 with 32 behind

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 1711544
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Hero (UTG): $50.00
UTG+1: $61.37
MP: $110.57
CO: $72.86
BTN: $50.00
SB: $56.71
BB: $20.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q :spade: Q :club:
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, MP calls $1.75, 4 folds

Flop: ($4.25) J :club: 2 :club: 6 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP raises to $7, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($18.25) J :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $9.20, Hero calls $9.20

River: ($36.65) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $22

tough spot, every street is rough.

I hate to say this usually because the logic is stupid, but I think if you call the turn you call the river because essentially nothing changed. I think folding the turn might be really sexy though. Consider 3-balling the flop?

i see no reason to 3b flop

its just his bet size which is annoying me, I assume he jams like all missed draws and bluffs, and his bet looks super strong instead of jam?

If he's any good there can't be many Jx hands in his range as he wouldn't raise flop. Which leads me to believe his flop raising range is 22,66 (makes sense as called pre), or suited aces of clubs (might 3b pre though) or air.

Therefore i'm probably going to call the river as missed/bluff combos far outweigh set combos.

Also since when did you play FR and whats his AF?

jbbb said:

If he's any good there can't be many Jx hands in his range as he wouldn't raise flop. Which leads me to believe his flop raising range is 22,66 (makes sense as called pre), or suited aces of clubs (might 3b pre though) or air.

Therefore i'm probably going to call the river as missed/bluff combos far outweigh set combos.

Also since when did you play FR and whats his AF?

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yeah i literally never think he has Jx unless its JJ.

I mix about FR and 6max just to keep things fresh, im not sure i dont use AF

Jurn8 said:

i see no reason to 3b flop

its just his bet size which is annoying me, I assume he jams like all missed draws and bluffs, and his bet looks super strong instead of jam?

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I think that youve induced a flop raise. I see lots of reasons to raise the flop, mainly that your bet looks so weak, and you just might get action from a big jack.

As much as I hate it, gotta fold the river.

jbbb said:

If he's any good there can't be many Jx hands in his range as he wouldn't raise flop. Which leads me to believe his flop raising range is 22,66 (makes sense as called pre), or suited aces of clubs (might 3b pre though) or air.

Therefore i'm probably going to call the river as missed/bluff combos far outweigh set combos.

Also since when did you play FR and whats his AF?

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Why not, if your a reg that likes to raise c-bets all the time, makes sense to do it with top pair as well as air/sets. Otherwise its really a pointless excercise.

44% c-bets raised after 5K hands. What a sicko.
How does this guy react to 3bets?
Does he barrel after the raise often?
Got flop/turn c-bet stats? (the gap helps show double barreling tendencies even in these spots).
Is his raising range polarized?
Uze must have some history when he has a stat that sick.

3betting the flop is a consideration but I probably just let this guy spew without further reads especially as his flush draw range isn't that wide. The small bet sizing is a concern (alongside the UTG/MP flat) but the flush draw bricked and generally I don't expect villains to have merged c-bet raising ranges although it is more likely with someone raising as much as this guy especially if you have a history of 3betting his flops. So readless I play it the same and call the river but I expect you at least have his barrelling stats.

Yeesh. I'd probably just 3bet the flop and see what happens

I think this hand swings on how villain views you and what he expects you to do with hands like AKcc, QQ-AA, Jx etc.

I like what deco says, you could easily 3bet this flop I think its the best play most of the time. Calling as a slowplay is a decent option as well but I still like raising more. Other than that its a toss up, you know he raises cbet alot but what does he do after that? Since you arent sure you can be pretty certain your mistake lies with not 3betting the flop. As played I call down because people that raise the flop that much like to barrel other streets alot of the time too much.

We're not calling the flop to slowplay.

His sizing looks super strong on the river I agree lol. Based on the fact he raised us otf and another Jack spikes on the turn that's where our real decision lies I think. If we're calling the turn then we have to call the river as nothing has changed about the hand. You're basically either folding or committing on the turn here.

This guy raises 44% of cbets and obviously a good portion of those are going to be full of crap. He could be raising a flush draw or QJ/KJ/AJ based on his looseness with raising cbets. This again falls back to the turn. If you called on the turn you had to think you were ahead so you should call the river. If villain is a thinking opponent like he seems then he's going to make his river bet look like it's for value when it's really just a bluff.

Snap call that shit and either scoop or be pissed at yourself imo, but I lean towards the snappage.

jbbb said:

If he's any good there can't be many Jx hands in his range as he wouldn't raise flop.

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His 44% raise of cbets would incline that he would be raising with almost any Jack here no?

Jurn8 said:

yeah i literally never think he has Jx unless its JJ.

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He could be raising cbets with TP too given 1) there's a FD, 2) you cbet smallish and 3) he does it half the time!

Since he does it so much, do you have any notes on what he does it with?

I call flop, and probably call turn since there will still be a lot of air in his range. However, the river is horrible, and looks like he wants you to call. So it's prob a fold. But it depends so much on reads, like, does he shove missed draws to maximise FE, or does he bet as if he wants to get paid (value bet size bluff). With 5k hands, you should have more to go on imo.

Him raising Jx vs UTG is super super thin probably bad imo so I never put it in his range, without reads I just assumed he was a monkey about bluff raising flops.
3betting flop just folds out most air and bluffs so I dont like doing that tbh without reads of his stacking range obvs.

I was snapping a shove but I just don't think he would bluff that amount given how aggro he is on other streets.

If he does this with flush draws, call, win and make a note of his bet sizing on the river even though he was bluffing.

If he does this with Jx, call, lose and make a note he can raise cbets with a merged range. You can then 3b polarized on the flop and make his life a misery. (If Jake 3bets this flop and villain has Jx, what does villain do?)

If he has a set it's just unlucky IMO.

Either way I think calling is the best option as the times you don't win you can use that information to play more optimally in the future.

jbbb said:

Either way I think calling is the best option as the times you don't win you can use that information to play more optimally in the future.

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yeah I have a pretty strong read on him now
What is the best turn line if the J doesnt turn?
c/jam or are we c/c and hoping for non club rivers, any non Q/K and A turns that is?
Im wondering if we c/jam as he will barrell most turns and maybe be committed, I cant do the math im at uni, or c/c down as he may ship bricked rivers?

I play it the same and call river. But villain prolly has AJ in his range if he raises 44% of flops.

On blank turns, check/jam would fold out top pair?

Also, what's his 3-bet rate? If its really low, KK and AA may be in his range as well.

I don't think his bet size means shit.

c9h13no3 said:

I play it the same and call river. But villain prolly has AJ in his range if he raises 44% of flops.

On blank turns, check/jam would fold out top pair?

Also, what's his 3-bet rate? If its really low, KK and AA may be in his range as well.

I don't think his bet size means shit.

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I think it does fold out TP, and looks super strong!

TBH as mentioned before I just thought he was a bluff monkey postflop and not raises Jx, IMO thats a bad line on this board

He may even fold AJo pre. I know I would.

Is he always raising KK/AA preflop or is he flatting a % of the time for balance? (I don't know how it works at 50nl)

He could have AA (and imo to a lesser extent KK) in this spot for sure.

Cafeman31 said:

He could have AA (and imo to a lesser extent KK) in this spot for sure.

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Good to know. This line could definitely follow with AA or KK imo. Calling pre and raising any flop probably extracts a bit more value every now and again. Would like to know what he had BTW

KK+ would defo explain the small betsizing.