€5 NLHE Full Ring: Fold AK Preflop?

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Okay, so what u think about this? Is it a clear shove or fold here? The 2 villians are very fishy, utg+2 seemed like a solid player..

Stacks:
UTG - (€4.81)
UTG+1 - (€4.93)
UTG+2 - (€5)
MP - (€5)
MP2 - ($3.96)
CO - (€3.22)
BTN - (€4.58)
SB - Hero (€5.56)
BB - (€5)

Preflop: (£0.07, 9 players) Hero is SB with Ah Kc

UTG - raises to €0.15 to €0.20, UTG+2 raises to €0.60, CO - calls , Hero raises €1.40 to €2, 5 folds , UTG calls €1.80 , UTG+2 - raises €3 to €5 and is all-in, CO - calls €3.98 and is all-in, Hero ?

Total Pot: £13.09
 
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I fold straight away.
AK doesn't hold up to UTG vs UTG 3bets.

Based on how fishy UTG is and how wide UTG+2s 3betting is (he may 3bet extreme fish light) I could be talked into a call. I'm never 4betting though as UTG+2 is going to continue with {AK,QQ+} at best. Many players such as myself would fold QQ/AK to your 4bet and you'd be looking at a {KK+} range.
 
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I'd flat pre as CO has come along and UTG is likely to come along too. We're in a massive 4way pot with two fish with a decent hand.
 
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OOP with people still to act behind and a hand that isn't going to play well multiway and is absolutely crushed by a solid UTG+2 players 3-betting range.
 
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Jbbb - lets say if I'd called and the flop is 7 8 2 whats the next move check fold?
Why not to 4bet and try to isolate the 2 fish or even take down a nice pot pre flop?
 
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Jbbb - lets say if I'd called and the flop is 7 8 2 whats the next move check fold?
Why not to 4bet and try to isolate the 2 fish or even take down a nice pot pre flop?

The whole point is were rarely going to get to isolate the fish because UTG+2s range is going to be super strong.

He might fold AK or QQ and we're left with the fish lol but that's not a thought process I want to entertain :D

What do you think a solid player 3bets here?
I don't know how fishy UTG is but against a 30/18 or something I'm 3betting {AK,QQ+} because I'm too scared to go any lighter with 6players yet to act and even a fish will tighten their range a little when facing an early position 3bet.
 
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The whole point is were rarely going to get to isolate the fish because UTG+2s range is going to be super strong.

He might fold AK or QQ and we're left with the fish lol but that's not a thought process I want to entertain :D

What do you think a solid player 3bets here?
I don't know how fishy UTG is but against a 30/18 or something I'm 3betting {AK,QQ+} because I'm too scared to go any lighter with 6players yet to act and even a fish will tighten their range a little when facing an early position 3bet.

If the guys a true fish i would be going a shit ton lighter than QQ+ AK from any position not worrying about anyone calling behind me because 3betting looks strong.
 
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If the guys a true fish i would be going a shit ton lighter than QQ+ AK from any position not worrying about anyone calling behind me because 3betting looks strong.

Same here if he's a 50+vpip. OP hasn't gave us any stats on the extent of the openers fishiness though. A mild fish like a 30/18 I'm just going to add AK and QQ into my range as I feel AQ or JJ would be a little thin given the circumstances.
 
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