€2 NLHE Full Ring: Thanks for feed back-value analysis

OK so I just had pp 6's on the BTN and made sure to take into consideration all the feedback I got from the other hand I posted a few days ago also w/ pp 6's. . .this time was IP though. . .

Everleaf - €0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: €1.78
BB: €1.11
UTG: €4.07
UTG+1: €2.92
MP: €4.73
CO: €0.84
Hero (BTN): €1.97
SB posts SB €0.01, BB posts BB €0.02
Pre Flop: (€0.03) Hero has 6:spade: 6:heart:
UTG calls €0.02, fold, MP calls €0.02, CO calls €0.02, Hero raises to €0.10, SB calls €0.09, fold, UTG calls €0.08, MP calls €0.08, CO calls €0.08
Flop: (€0.52, 5 players) 6:club: J:club: 9:heart:
SB bets €0.02, UTG calls €0.02, MP calls €0.02, CO calls €0.02, Hero raises to €0.32, SB calls €0.30, fold, fold, fold
Turn: (€1.22, 2 players) 7:club:
SB bets €0.02, Hero raises to €0.40, SB calls €0.38
River: (€2.02, 2 players) J:diamond:
SB bets €0.96, Hero calls €0.96
SB shows J:spade: 5:spade: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 34%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows 6:spade: 6:heart: (Full House, Sixes full of Jacks) (Pre 66%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins €3.75

wouldn't raise preflop, slightly bigger on flop and turn.

baudib1 said:

slightly bigger on flop and turn.

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and jam the river.

baudib1 said:

wouldn't raise preflop, slightly bigger on flop and turn.

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So you are suggesting to just limp in?. . .or?

also w/ there being 2 monochrome on the flop, if villain is not on a FD, w/ the turn he may very well fold to a larger raise????- just a thought. . . . . .obv. w/ the smoothcall to my flop raise was a big clue. . .

this is one of the rare times that limping would be okay, aslong as the 3 people were the types that would just call the raise and not fold to c-bets very often. If there was just 2 limpers and you thought you could get HU and take the pot often with a c-bet then its a raise. If he's on a flush draw on the turn he wont fold to a bigger raise because he will be a fish. Plus betting 40 into 120 is pretty much giving him the correct odds to chase his flush. People dont like folding flush draws so you can bet nice and big and exaggerate their mistakes.

i would like to mention though that i did get villain (HU) all-in. . ..

acky. . .thanks bud.. .ya i like what u wrote

Limping pre is standard. Raise flop way more and shove turn

bgomez89 said:

Limping pre is standard. Raise flop way more and shove turn

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ok ya i will def. remeber and apply. . .esp. based on hand charts. . .thanks bud!


followed the advice given. . . .from last time. . .i wonder if I could just get one. . .even if it was just one. . .thatta boy. . .played it better though this time around ???

just sayin a little positive reinforcement. . .goes a long way. . .in the mix of:
'you did, this, that, and this wrong. . '. ... . .just thinking positivity breeds positivity.. .

I don't think it's horrible to limp pre but if you're not likely to get HU with this hand I wouldn't try it. Also when you raise EP limpers you may be well behind higher pps like 88-AA that are limped UTG a lot.

taaron said:

ok ya i will def. remeber and apply. . .esp. based on hand charts. . .thanks bud!


followed the advice given. . . .from last time. . .i wonder if I could just get one. . .even if it was just one. . .thatta boy. . .played it better though this time around ???

just sayin a little positive reinforcement. . .goes a long way. . .in the mix of:
'you did, this, that, and this wrong. . '. ... . .just thinking positivity breeds positivity.. .

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Posting in the HA section means you want to be critiqued. We're not all going to give you a pat on the back, even if you did play it better.

Take our criticism as a sign that we care about you in the sense that we're taking a minute or two to help turn you into a better player.

bgomez89 said:

Posting in the HA section means you want to be critiqued. We're not all going to give you a pat on the back, even if you did play it better.

Take our criticism as a sign that we care about you in the sense that we're taking a minute or two to help turn you into a better player.

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+ a mirrion.

I know what your talking about though taaron, I felt the same way when I started posting hands.

in my last post i meant it's not horrible to raise pre.

I think the raise pre is good. I'd make it a lot more though with so many limpers. You don't want to invite 5 callers. Your goal with a preflop raise should be to take it down or get it HU or 2 callers at absolute most.

The flop is very draw heavy. You should raise a lot more imo. I would make it at least the size of the pot here. As played I would have raised the river (although I don't know if he had much left?) Still raise anyways. The reason is that he won't fold any flushes or trips. Boats make up a tiny portion of his range.

BlackRain79 said:

I think the raise pre is good. I'd make it a lot more though with so many limpers. You don't want to invite 5 callers. Your goal with a preflop raise should be to take it down or get it HU or 2 callers at absolute most.

The flop is very draw heavy. You should raise a lot more imo. I would make it at least the size of the pot here. As played I would have raised the river (although I don't know if he had much left?) Still raise anyways. The reason is that he won't fold any flushes or trips. Boats make up a tiny portion of his range.

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Yep this is what i think. I know we've said that limping here is okay but please do not start limping small pocket pairs! I still prefer raising here way more than limping if i have a chance of getting HU, only limp here if you know they are all gonna call the raise and never fold to c-bets

Blackrain made a good point about the river, i would be shoving all in here eveytime just because people really do not fold trips or flushes! Quite often i will get to the river and say i hit a boat and theres a flush and trips out there i will shove all in even if im shoving 25 dollars into a 2 dollar river, think what villain can call with and if there's a good chance he has a second best monster then dont miss value getting a half pot bet or something just shove him in, guy with trips is just gonna think you're bluffing anyways and he isnt folding trips cause omg 3 cards are the same!

ya thanks fellas as always; ya the feedback is obviously helping a ton. . as though it wasn't maybe played perfectly it is huge imrpovement. . I do believe that I've turned a good corner.. .

I thought the same thing until I added it up; it looks like villain was AI on the river already.

yeah, ur raise on flop was 32c, turn should have been much higher than 40c. Villain calling raise on flop says he will call turn as well most times. Nicely played pretty much though