€10 NLHE 6-max: Semi bluff shove or just draw ?

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€10 NL HE 6-max: Semi bluff shove or just draw ?

I'm CO with Ac7c

Entraction - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

76 salvo (SB): €18.25
zicacu (BB): €13.27
marisao (UTG): €4.90
ComplexP (CO): €12.55
a0786gt1 (BTN): €10.00

76 salvo posts SB €0.05, zicacu posts BB €0.10

marisao calls €0.10, ComplexP raises to €0.50, fold, 76 salvo calls €0.45, zicacu calls €0.40, fold

Flop: (€1.60, 3 players) 4:club: A:diamond: 3:club:
76 salvo bets €0.80, zicacu calls €0.80, ComplexP raises to €3.00, 76 salvo calls €2.20, zicacu calls €2.20

Turn: (€10.60, 3 players) Q:heart:
76 salvo checks, zicacu checks, ComplexP ????


So I find this hand really interesting. Not sure what to make of it.

Once they both call my flop raise I'm sure one of them has an A, in all likelyhood a better A. Sets are always a possibility etc. but also draws, these guys would play 65o probably, not sure about 52s ; also there might be another club draw. That range is so big I'm not too worried about sets.

So my dillema here is should I just shove or draw for free, which is more profitable? I don't think shoving is a losing play, considering my probable 12 outs against a better ace + FE. But is it more profitable to just check? I never get the pot on river unless I spike a club, and even then I don't get paid too often.
 
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My gut reaction is to shove, but I've been guilty of over playing hands like these in the past. I also remember someone posting (someone I respect iirc) saying they don't know why people get so aggro with TP + FD hands so often.
 
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Stove time:

Board: 4c 3c Ad Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.367% 52.67% 02.70% 81496 4172.00 { Ac7c }
Hand 1: 22.317% 20.37% 01.94% 31522 3008.00 { TT-55, 22, AQs-ATs, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, AQo-ATo }
Hand 2: 22.317% 20.37% 01.94% 31522 3008.00 { TT-55, 22, AQs-ATs, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, AQo-ATo }

I dunno what you think of the ranges, but I feel they're ok given the info and action. Stove says we can shove for pure value.

I added every ace higher than yours and we are close to a shove for pure value.

Board: 4c 3c Ad Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.895% 44.06% 03.84% 100440 8748.00 { Ac7c }
Hand 1: 26.053% 23.31% 02.74% 53142 6252.00 { TT-55, 22, AQs-A8s, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, AQo-A8o }
Hand 2: 26.053% 23.31% 02.74% 53142 6252.00 { TT-55, 22, AQs-A8s, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, QcJc, AQo-A8o }


Ship it?
 
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The only question is how big a part of their ranges are SC's...
 
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The only question is how big a part of their ranges are SC's...

They were both 54/0 or something, so I'm sure they play them. I was even more ahead than I thought then, felt one of them had the A though

Shipped :D
 
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They were both 54/0 or something,

Two people of 5 at a 6max table with those stats?

The real question is did you have to replace your keyboard from all of your drooling.
 
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Two people of 5 at a 6max table with those stats?

The real question is did you have to replace your keyboard from all of your drooling.

It's like that every night man. I have to replace my head sometimes after kicking it so hard for losing/not winning more at the stakes.
 
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