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Going through some hands that I played some time ago at 0.25NL and I found this nice little hand :D
Not much to say here really. I think I was just trying to pick up the Blinds + the Limp. I think today though I would either call preflop or raise to 5BB.

Just wanted to share this with you. Very nice to win 220 Big Blinds! :) Obviously very bad play by the Big Blind there, shoving all in! Not even sure if he might have even been going for value...

I realize that there is little to analyze or discuss about the hand, just felt like sharing ;) Hope this is the right forum

PokerStars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 151.32 BB (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 48)
UTG: 102.72 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 122)
UTG+1: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 15.71, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 140)
MP: 73 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 59 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BTN: 26.36 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 52)
Hero (SB): 114.04 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:spade: 5:spade:

fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BB calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) 8:spade: A:diamond: Q:spade:
Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB

Turn: (19 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
Hero checks, BB bets 14.4 BB, Hero calls 14.4 BB

River: (47.8 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
Hero bets 20 BB, BB raises to 127.92 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 70.64 BB and is all-in

BB shows 3:club: A:club: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 59%, Flop 62%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows J:spade: 5:spade: (Flush, King High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 38%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 221.08 BB
 
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What were you doing preflop???
 
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MP limps, I raise to 4 BB in the small blind with J5s
 
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Yes, Captain Obvious. My question was: why on earth would you play J5s from the SB???
 
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the BB and the Limper probably fold there a good amount of the time. to make the raise profitable they would need to fold 40% of the time, which i guess they would

today i would most likely just call and check/fold on most flops.
since its a cash game with a +100BB stack i think calling or raising is fine. folding too. I think its very close!....
 
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No.... fold pre and it's not even close. You are OOP against two laggy players who will not fold. I don't mind postflop play though,
 
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I think that alientist's play was right on. From what I've seen at micro-level 6-max cash tables (although I note that this one had 7 players) pre-flop aggression usually rules the day. He got MP out of the hand right away, and BB chose not to 3-bet, but rather just called - probably because he already had a few cents invested in the pot, and he had position over SB, and of course he held a suited trashy Ace. That might have been the end of it, but Hero happened to catch a flush draw on the flop, and BB (again) didn't go over the top with a re-raise to the flop c-bet (choosing rather to wait till it was far too late). The rest of course is history.

Clearly BB did not have good grasp of what was probably going on, which is what you hope for at micro-level cash games.

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I actually hate pre and post flop. We bet twice with the worst hand, then we bink on the turn and now that we are ahead we check. Then we go back to betting on the river and get lucky that villain spazzed with Ax
 
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We bet twice with the worst hand, then we bink on the turn and now that we are ahead we check. Then we go back to betting on the river and get lucky that villain spazzed with Ax

I think checking the turn is a good play, because it makes my hand look weak. My oppenent will think his ace is good especially when the river comes 5d. Betting the turn when the flush draw arrived might have made him fold his hand there already. Why would I continue barrelling there?
 
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I think checking the turn is a good play, because it makes my hand look weak. My oppenent will think his ace is good especially when the river comes 5d. Betting the turn when the flush draw arrived might have made him fold his hand there already. Why would I continue barrelling there?

The K gives villain more 2 pair combos and it is blind vs blind so he is going to call wider then usual anyway. He could also have As here and be drawing to the nuts or have a baby flush with 67ss etc. Plenty of value on a barrel here, especially from what seems to be a fish.
 
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I don't agree with play J5 this time, but after u 're in the hand, the development was okay for me. Bet by flush draw and then get flushed. NH.

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The K gives villain more 2 pair combos and it is blind vs blind so he is going to call wider then usual anyway. He could also have As here and be drawing to the nuts or have a baby flush with 67ss etc. Plenty of value on a barrel here, especially from what seems to be a fish.

I guess you are right. I was probably afraid the third spade might scare him away if I bet
 
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I guess you are right. I was probably afraid the third spade might scare him away if I bet

Just bet like 40-50% pot on the turn and he will call super wide or maybe read it as weakness and put in a raise.
 
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I realize that there is little to analyze or discuss about the hand

I dont know whats worse, playing J5 in the sb or this comment.

In fact I cant find one street that I think you played well.
 
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Plenty of value on a barrel here, especially from what seems to be a fish.

Agree with the comment, but I think you will find both players in this hand are fish.
 
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J/5 suited 34.79% 2.82 -0.0182 0.3% 46.76%

Your hand, 3-handed when you bet starts out as a little better than a flush draw to win the hand against 2 random hands. You do have some information about 1 hand as the player felt it was strong enough, ie 40% or stronger to call 40% of the total pot but that may or may not have been the case about the hand depending on your opponent. Also, usually if the hand is strong enough to call the 40% requirement, its strong enough to raise into the pot, so it might have been weaker, especially since the opponent folds. Lets look at pot odds. Had you called, you would have been calling .6/3 or 20% of the pot holding 34.8% which is a +EV call, and your hand holds 1.044 equity of the 3 in the pot. Since you raised 3 you are stating that you hold 60% or better at the time of the raise 3-handed. You make it so your opponents must call 33% which 1 player calls and 1 folds. 1 caller so now you are 2-handed. Against a random hand your hand is:

5/J suited 47.82% 47.85% 4.33% -0.03% 0.30% 49.62%

The hand though is no longer random as your have raised and your opponent has called so there is quite a bit of information about the hands available now. Randomly, your hand holds 4.3bb in equity so if the hand ended and the pot was chopped up according to the equity you would have lost .7bb against a random hand which all hands are until action is taken.

Since the hand went to showdown, knowing your opponents hand allows for a closer look at your equity throughout the hand. J5 vs A3 you hold 40.93% of the equity going into the flop, so if the hand ended and the pot was chopped, you would receive back 3.68bb out of the 4 you have placed into the pot.

After the flop you hold 38.36% and bet 5 into stating you are ahead and force your opponent to call 26.3% so you are saying you have a very strong hand and your opponent needs relatively weak equity in the hand to continue which he does and now the pot is 19 so if the hand ended, you would receive back 7.28bb of the 9 you have placed into the pot so far. After that, you win the whole pot.

That is how i try to look at the mathematical aspect and try to stay +EV based upon hand value. There is a lot more that goes into it since its a people game and strategy and knowing your opponent. Figuring out the ranges of opponents makes it easier to add information so that the hands are not completely random. You dont say much about the person you stacked but they seemed pretty fishy and you might have had a read on them. A jack high is behind about half the time HU. To see the player stack off at the end makes them fairly fishy even though they were ahead on the flop but again, a lot of it is figuring out opponents ranges and from which position. You would have held enough equity to call more than a pot-sized bet on the flop anyway so anything other than a over-bet to the pot would have been +EV and a bet isnt that bad there because you have some fold equity but given the circumstances, your opponent probably isnt folding the ace. Your pre-flop and flop plays were both -EV based upon your equity. So basically, you got lucky against a bad opponent, nice hand.
 
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