Double flush draws on turn

titans4ever

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pokerstars Game #10214321466: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/06/01 - 11:08:31 (ET)
Table 'Phad IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: robinwhy ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 3: titans4ever ($14.70 in chips)
Seat 4: 935sl ($24.85 in chips)
Seat 5: daWorkHorse ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Fathoe1805 ($4 in chips)
Seat 8: pulpfunction ($22.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Anne86 ($15.85 in chips)
X-Men84 will be allowed to play after the button
robinwhy: posts small blind $0.10
titans4ever: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to titans4ever [5s 2c]
935sl: folds
daWorkHorse: folds
Fathoe1805: folds
pulpfunction: folds
Anne86: folds
robinwhy: calls $0.15
titans4ever: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 6s 3s]
robinwhy: bets $0.50
titans4ever: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [4c 6s 3s] [Qc]
robinwhy: bets $1.45
titans4ever: ??????

You have the striaght but 50% of the deck can be a scare cards for the flush on the river. What do you do?
 
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Villain limped and then bet out at the flop. This screams of blind steal or possibly the draw. Sure 50% of the deck is scary, but, villain can only hold one or the other. So if he is on the draw he is roughly 14% (7 outs) to make it (you hold one of each suit).

Obviously QQ will not play this way. Maybe Q6, Q3, or Q4. Double his bet to $3. You are way ahead and shouldn't worry to much about the draw.
 
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You have the striaght but 50% of the deck can be a scare cards for the flush on the river. What do you do?
But your opponent hasn't got both clubs and spades has he? You should be looking to stack him here, he cant be putting you on a straight. I'd put in a small enough raise for him to call, and just hope you can keep him on the line.
 
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A re-raise large enough to give him improper odds to call, make him pay for a draw if that's whats he's on.
 
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I would raise on the turn, not giving him a chance to see the river. And if he calls (which with a big enough bet I doubt he would) then just see what the river is :p
 
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But your opponent hasn't got both clubs and spades has he? You should be looking to stack him here, he cant be putting you on a straight. I'd put in a small enough raise for him to call, and just hope you can keep him on the line.
I disagree here rob, you can't allow him to make his draw with a bet giving him odds to call, to get the most value for the hand you have to make a reraise large enough so that it makes him think and if he calls and misses the draw, his mistake and your laughing.
You have to give the villian the opportunity to make a mistake, don't play it weak just in case he does hit just to save yourself a few bucks because if you put out a bet small enough giving him odds to call and he doesn't hit, then the hand is virtually dead right there and there is no amount of bet that you put in after the river that will get a call, because at that point villian will know he is beat.
 
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I disagree here rob, you can't allow him to make his draw with a bet giving him odds to call, to get the most value for the hand you have to make a reraise large enough so that it makes him think and if he calls and misses the draw, his mistake and your laughing.
You have to give the villian the opportunity to make a mistake, don't play it weak just in case he does hit just to save yourself a few bucks because if you put out a bet small enough giving him odds to call and he doesn't hit, then the hand is virtually dead right there and there is no amount of bet that you put in after the river that will get a call, because at that point villian will know he is beat.


Agree. Make him draw without correct odds. Raise this to ~$4, that will do. He might even shove back, which is great.
 
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Shine, you want him to fold? You dont want him to fold when you have the nuts cause he has a draw. You want to raise here, but not to get him to fold you want to raise here so he will call and make the pot bigger :)
 
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Shine, you want him to fold? You dont want him to fold when you have the second nuts cause he has a draw. You want to raise here, but not to get him to fold you want to raise here so he will call and make the pot bigger :)

fixed your post but yea this line is exactly correct.
 
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I disagree here rob, you can't allow him to make his draw with a bet giving him odds to call
What draw? He's made 2 pot size bets, that hardly implies he's playing a flush draw. He's the sole opponent (SB v BB) so the chances are that he's specifically got 2 spades have got to be remote. I dont see flush here at all, i want him to think i'm on a flush draw and hope that scare card doesn't come (not scaring me, scaring him).
 
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But your opponent hasn't got both clubs and spades has he? You should be looking to stack him here, he cant be putting you on a straight. I'd put in a small enough raise for him to call, and just hope you can keep him on the line.

This must just me thinking everyone else plays like me. You don't know if he is on a draw or if he is which one of the two they are chasing. I love these set ups for the bluff potential. Your opponent does not know which if either you are chasing and if one of thems hits you can always bet really big and scare you opponent off the pot alot of times. You can make it so expensive they can't really make the call unless they hit it too.

I find that I get overly aggressive on this situations and don't like to see the river or make it very expensive to see it since you can bluff the completed draw alot of times.
 
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I would probably would raise to the pot hoping he has a queen or folding with junk.
 
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