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Lopos

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I don't know all the stacks but Ill post mine and the villains.

Mine: $155
Villain: $68

A little bit about him, So far he has been fairly tight, and doesn't like to put his money in post flop very often. Also, I just felted him about 20 minutes prior with my QQ to his ATs and forced him to re-buy.

Anyways, I'm in the Small and it gets limped 5way in front of me, I look at [89o] I complete and BB checks (7 way action). Flop comes 7c 6d 7h and the action gets checked all the way around. Turn brings 7c 6d 7h - 5c. I've just made my nine high straight. I lead out, and bet pot $10, to protect my hand from a possible flush draw. It gets folded to the button. The button(villain) flat calls. The river is 7c 6d 7h - 5c - 4s. I lead $15 for value. The the villain shoves his remaining $54.

Where do I stand?
 
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instacall. This is a bare 8, bare 7, a 3, even a busted flush draw enough times for you to profitably call here
 
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yep call

you are only behind anything that made a full house..you are going to see random 3s, random 8s and sometimes just flat out bluffs on what is percieved to be a scare card an awful lot.
 
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Well, I felt something was terribly wrong here. I put him on either 7s full, 6s full, (4s full because of the open ended straight draw from the turn) or he had a busted flush draw and was making a stone cold bluff with the scare card.

I tanked for about 2 minutes and eventually called (but was very reluctant)
He flipped over pocket 7s and flopped quads.
 
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To prevent yourself from losing so much, check/call on the river. Think about it this way, if he missed the flush draw he will most likely fold since he is fairly tight. If he has just a set A7 for example, he will make a value bet which you can call without losing 68$, then if he has a lower str8 he will make a value bet thinking his str8 is good, and you can call that. I know you posted your results already and you might think yea what do you know, its easy to say when you see what happened, but I would of told you to do same thing even if I didn't know the results.
 
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nonono dont check/call river please

So many hands will check behind, i.e. overpairs, a 3, even a pair of 6's

We are missing out on value by not betting into them

But the main reason not to check/call is because that misses out on a ton of value for when villain has an 8 and shoves

Edit: After thinking a bit more, i dont mind the check/call, i think either way is profitable
 
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nonono dont check/call river please

So many hands will check behind, i.e. overpairs, a 3, even a pair of 6's

We are missing out on value by not betting into them

But the main reason not to check/call is because that misses out on a ton of value for when villain has an 8 and shoves

Edit: After thinking a bit more, i dont mind the check/call, i think either way is profitable

I only said check/call because he said his opponent was tight so the opponent will most likely only call with a str8 or a set/ or raise us with a full house or quads. if we check, we are allowing those weaker hands bet into us thinking they are ahead, but this is just a safe way of playing imo if you don't know exactly what the villain had.
 
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I lead that river with the intention of calling a raise / shove - there are hands that can beat us, but there are just too many that will give us action and value to give this one away cheap.

A naked 8 is likely to at least call, trip sevens likely will as well, and maybe even overpairs or bluffs if they put us on something that's scared of the straight or boat possibilities. And some of the time villain will have the exact same hand as us.

Weighed up against that, there's only really four or five hands we need to be worried about: 77, 66, 55, 44 and maybe 76. If the villain's tight like you say he's probably throwing away 75 and 74 before the flop, even if it's limped.

It's $39 to call into a $49 pot, and it's those few hands vs the range of other possibilities that we beat. No way I'm folding this.
 
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