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pokerstars Game #9185726718: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/31 - 18:07:14 (ET)
Table 'Holmia IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: joosebucklol ($99 in chips)
Seat 2: Tornad00 ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: clark46 ($12.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Rumplemeyer ($54.30 in chips)
Seat 6: sleephino ($43.40 in chips)
Seat 7: shortystage ($98 in chips)
Seat 9: crb78038 ($70.15 in chips)
joosebucklol: posts small blind $0.50
Tornad00: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joosebucklol [8s As]
clark46: calls $1
Rumplemeyer: calls $1
sleephino: folds
shortystage: calls $1
crb78038: folds
joosebucklol: calls $0.50
Tornad00: raises $2 to $3
clark46: calls $2
Rumplemeyer: calls $2
shortystage: calls $2
joosebucklol:


can we raise here and eat up all this dead money?
 
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Any stats/reads on Tornad00 ?
 
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Any reads?

Edit: Did not see TB's question before I asked mine, but that's my question as well.
 
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The initial raise is pretty weak; if these guys are soft enough and we put in a big enough raise, we could take it down or at least get it heads up.

A couple things: we'll be OOP, and fwiw, our raise will look really weird limping into a multiway pot on the SB then repopping...
 
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A couple things: we'll be OOP, and fwiw, our raise will look really weird limping into a multiway pot on the SB then repopping...

^^^ This is what I'm thinking. If you'd limped early, you could be someone slowplaying AA or KK and then changing your mind after all the other limpers. As it is, it looks like what you're thinking; someone who decides there lots of dead money and you're making a play at it with almost anything.
 
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I still wouldn't make the move. But then again I'm a woman, and men always talk about those things called "balls" (otherwise known as guts or stupidity, take you pick) and since I don't have those, maybe that's why I don't pull the trigger on that move.

Yes there is dead money in there, but there also could be a monster like a KK or AA sitting there as well. I don't make the move.
 
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Best bet is to call and hope to hit 2 pair / flush / trips. Alternatively folding isn't bad.
 
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Best bet is to call and hope to hit 2 pair / flush / trips. Alternatively folding isn't bad.

I don't think he's asking how to play the hand BJ. I think all he's asking is if he should raise or not, considering there is so much dead money in the pot (possibly).
 
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not moving all in. just reraise to ~20ish
 
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Even like $15 will do the trick, no? His raise is very weak to me, and looks more like a pot sweetener than an isolation raise (which would be typical of a big pair/AK).

The biggest problem I see is that you won't get a fold from like KQ/AJ/99 by a looser player here since your bet will just look so odd.

Without reads, I wait for a better opportunity though.
 
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ya i dont really like being oop here either. my only thought is that it had been played so passively that i felt a nice rr could take it down. limped around, bb only raises to 3xbb? 3 callers, $12 in dead money there. only has to work once out of 4 times right?
 
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It's a tough call to make. I'm an aggressive player, but there's still 3 players that made the initial call. If you go for 15-20, you might scare them all away, or, you might get one who has cash to spare and goes for it. And going that hard considering your initial play opens you up for further analysis by the other players.

Assume you get called, and flop 88, thus getting your set and likely winning the hand. The rest of the table sees you as a lucky, dead-money/pot-stealing SOB and plays you as such the rest of the way. In this case, I'd call the $2 and see what the flop gave me before ballzing up that much :)
 
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No need to raise somone could easily have QQ KK oe worse AA which then if u hit an A your kicker is weak and you still have a chance ot get beat i would just check or call and hope to hit 2 paiur on flop
 
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I don't think people understand this thread, and the fact that it's about dead money, and stealing the dead money. Not analyzing how to play A8.
 
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It's not like you mention you just want it for the dead mon...... oh wait......
 
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since it is your second hand at the table, i dont like the steal here...

get some reads first...sure it is quite a bit of dead money, but if you had reads, or maybe came across as a tight player i think it would be a good raise

good move,but bad timing i think
 
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and fwiw, our raise will look really weird limping into a multiway pot on the SB then repopping...

Seriously, ^^^ this. Maybe your opponent's won't think too hard about it, I don't know, but if you've got any smart, analytical types, they're almost certain to catch on to this. I mean, does a huge hand EVER limp behind like 4 limpers in the SB here? Like, EVER?!?! What are you representing? Exactly what you have... a decent hand trying to take all the dead money
 
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well it worked. got heads up vs the short stack whose call of my repop to 15~ put him all in. he had 910o and i won.
 
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well it worked. got heads up vs the short stack whose call of my repop to 15~ put him all in. he had 910o and i won.
Results oriented. :) Sklansky & Mason say you should pull this move with hands that aren't likely to do well in multi-way pots, i.e. junk, rather than a decent hand like A8s.
 
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since when is a8 a good multi way hand? heh
 
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