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OK decent amount of preflop raising I thought I could narrow down his hands to A's,K',Q's, or Big Slick when he called me preflop..... I really had no intention of this flop ever coming out but once it did, I am thinking about how best to break this guy. I can't think of a single question I could ask myself to save me. Relatively decent sized pot and a monster hand... I really wish I understood why this crap happens to me at Stars so much as well.....
pokerstars GAME #3320002370: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/12/13 - 01:11:55 (ET)
Table 'Tithonus' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: t KJB ($55.85 in chips)
Seat 2: jimcwy ($49.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Danny99 ($3.35 in chips)
Seat 4: lingertime ($49 in chips)
Seat 5: niteowl46224 ($45.25 in chips)
Seat 6: ElmoZ ($55.95 in chips)
Seat 7: KalSS ($19.90 in chips)
Seat 8: delgados ($42.65 in chips)
Seat 9: oilersfan99 ($40.55 in chips)
delgados: posts small blind $0.25
oilersfan99: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to niteowl46224 [9h 9c]
t KJB: folds
jimcwy: raises $1 to $1.50
Danny99: folds
lingertime: calls $1.50
niteowl46224: raises $2 to $3.50
ElmoZ: folds
KalSS: folds
delgados: folds
oilersfan99: folds
jimcwy: calls $2
lingertime: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [6h 9d Jd]
jimcwy: checks
lingertime: checks
niteowl46224: bets $10.50
jimcwy: raises $10.50 to $21
lingertime: folds
niteowl46224: raises $20.75 to $41.75 and is all-in
jimcwy: calls $20.75
*** TURN *** [6h 9d Jd] K♠
*** RIVER *** [6h 9d Jd Ks] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jimcwy: shows [Jh Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
niteowl46224: mucks hand
jimcwy collected $91.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $94.75 | Rake $3
Board [6h 9d Jd Ks Td]
Seat 1: t KJB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jimcwy showed [Jh Jc] and won ($91.75) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: Danny99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lingertime folded on the Flop
Seat 5: niteowl46224 mucked [9h 9c]
Seat 6: ElmoZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: KalSS (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: delgados (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: oilersfan99 (big blind) folded before Flop

he did have you beat the whole way, and it's not like JJ is that awful of a hand, especially for a $2 prefolp raise. it would be one thing if he had 7-8 or something..... or was this not another one of your bad beat threads?

-n

That just brings back some shit check this out LOL

full tilt poker Game #332853336: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (2161681), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:51:42 ET - 2005/12/12
Seat 1: MAD Nice (1,365)
Seat 2: Trumpman (1,955)
Seat 3: streske18 (1,380)
Seat 4: BIMMER99 (1,515)
Seat 5: middle57man (1,300)
Seat 6: jompa_banan (1,455)
Seat 7: Don Mega (1,545)
Seat 8: DokerPad (1,515)
Seat 9: Jamile100 (1,470)
Don Mega posts the small blind of 15
DokerPad posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamile100 [Ac Ad]
Jamile100 raises to 105
MAD Nice folds
Trumpman folds
streske18 calls 105
BIMMER99 folds
middle57man folds
jompa_banan folds
Don Mega: wins
Don Mega folds
DokerPad folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2c Qd]
Don Mega: oops
Don Mega: wrong window
Jamile100 has 15 seconds left to act
Jamile100 bets 255
streske18 raises to 1,275, and is all in
Jamile100 calls 1,020
streske18 shows [Jh Kh]
Jamile100 shows [Ac Ad]
*** TURN *** [Ah 2c Qd] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 2c Qd Ts] [4s]
streske18: oops
streske18 shows a straight, Ace high
Jamile100 shows three of a kind, Aces
streske18 wins the pot (2,805) with a straight, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,805 | Rake 0
Board: [Ah 2c Qd Ts 4s]
Seat 1: MAD Nice didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Trumpman didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: streske18 showed [Jh Kh] and won (2,805) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 4: BIMMER99 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: middle57man didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: jompa_banan (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Don Mega (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: DokerPad (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Jamile100 showed [Ac Ad] and lost with three of a kind, Aces


And this always happens to me at FTP Damn Dem Beats
this was the chat after LOL what else could I say
Jamile100 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamile100 [Tc 5d]
MAD Nice calls 30
streske18: i'm honestly not a chaser either
Trumpman raises to 135
streske18 folds
BIMMER99 folds
middle57man folds
jompa_banan folds
Don Mega folds
DokerPad folds
Jamile100 folds
MAD Nice raises to 1,365, and is all in
Trumpman folds
Uncalled bet of 1,230 returned to MAD Nice
Jamile100: all good
MAD Nice mucks
MAD Nice wins the pot (315)

Ok poker masters did I do this right, I have top PP I raise 3xBB gets called then I figa ok he may have AK KK KQ QQ the third being what I really thought. I flop a set so I bet 255 or sumting close to that hes all-in figa he hit maybe Qs if he holdin QQ or AQ for 2 pr. but really not scared of anything now I start rethinkin what he may have but nothing scared me EXCEPT THE STRAIGHT DRAW and lo and behold I call and sure enough he draws his straight, I know this happens and I was cool with it and after thinkin nothing really I could do with this one. Come hell or high water I ain't layind down trip A's.

Now do you lay this down? I think not, but maybe some of you might have a different take on it.

JAMILE1 said:

Ok poker masters did I do this right, I have top PP I raise 3xBB gets called then I figa ok he may have AK KK KQ QQ the third being what I really thought. I flop a set so I bet 255 or sumting close to that hes all-in figa he hit maybe Qs if he holdin QQ or AQ for 2 pr. but really not scared of anything now I start rethinkin what he may have but nothing scared me EXCEPT THE STRAIGHT DRAW and lo and behold I call and sure enough he draws his straight, I know this happens and I was cool with it and after thinkin nothing really I could do with this one. Come hell or high water I ain't layind down trip A's.

Now do you lay this down? I think not, but maybe some of you might have a different take on it.

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Jamile, there's no way in hell anyone could possibly consider laying this down - you're a HUGE favourite to any possible combination of cards your opponent holds. He must have been gambling you didn't have an Ace and would lay down (maybe he thought you would be slowplaying if you did have an Ace, and your bet meant that you didn't?). You got all the chips in the middle with a monster hand, and couldn't have played it any better - at least he had the decency to apologise!
I had a dreadful weekend cards wise (results weren't too bad, but actual cards were total rubbish for 2 straight days). Tried a big MTT on Pokerstars last night - 2nd hand get KK - opponent already all-in so I call - he's got AK, and hits straight on river! Made a bit in a ring game though, started getting some hands again!

She said. "Poker Masters," robbie...why are you posting?

diabloblanco said:

She said. "Poker Masters," robbie...why are you posting?

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Did "she" Mike? Sorry (p.s. look in the Gallery - "she's" a hottie isn't "she").

A minimum raise on pocket Jacks? Who is this player? I never saw those pocket jacks coming. I though he had the flush. Tough break!

JAMILE1 said:

Ok poker masters did I do this right, I have top PP I raise 3xBB gets called then I figa ok he may have AK KK KQ QQ the third being what I really thought. I flop a set so I bet 255 or sumting close to that hes all-in figa he hit maybe Qs if he holdin QQ or AQ for 2 pr. but really not scared of anything now I start rethinkin what he may have but nothing scared me EXCEPT THE STRAIGHT DRAW and lo and behold I call and sure enough he draws his straight, I know this happens and I was cool with it and after thinkin nothing really I could do with this one. Come hell or high water I ain't layind down trip A's.

Now do you lay this down? I think not, but maybe some of you might have a different take on it.

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No, you played it right. The other player happened to get the one card he needed. You just can't fold trip Aces becuase you think the other player is going to make the straight.

Hmmm...... yes I am all man well at last check I was LOL maybe I need to be more mean LOL no this aint the first time someone thought me woman LMFAO I just wonder why??????????? so from now on I will swear flame and be mean to all and I will start dramas evryday so they know me man LOL just joking thats just not who I am.

JAMILE1 said:

from now on I will swear flame and be mean to all and I will start dramas evryday

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And you'll do this so everyone will know you're a man? - my wife does this 24/7!

JAMILE1 said:

Ok poker masters did I do this right...
Come hell or high water I ain't layind down trip A's.

Now do you lay this down? I think not, but maybe some of you might have a different take on it.

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Regarding the pre-flop play: You played right in theory, but let me share something I learned the other day about pre-flop raising. Early $5 SnG; blinds 5&10; I get QQ mid position & raise to 100 (10x BB). SB calls with 77 & hits a set. Since 7 was the high card on the flop & I wouldn't have put her on a low pair, I go all-in & lose.

What I learned is that some players don't think in relation to the size of the blind, especially early while the blinds are small. They think "100 (or 105) is not much. I'll try to hit the flop." Probably a raise of 250 or more would have scared away these chasers & you and I might have been a little richer now.

(BTW, his all-in on the flop was a donk play. You were ahead & made the correct call. He was semi-bluffing an 11-to-1 shot & got lucky.)

MrSticker said:

What I learned is that some players don't think in relation to the size of the blind, especially early while the blinds are small. They think "100 (or 105) is not much. I'll try to hit the flop." Probably a raise of 250 or more would have scared away these chasers & you and I might have been a little richer now.

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So you'd rather win 45 chips than have a chance to win 1,470 when a 1/13 favourite? You don't want to discourage action with AA, you want to isolate an opponent and strip him completely - Jamile did this perfectly with his bets, just caught a bad beat.

Points well taken there Mrstick and what Rob is saying is exactly my thoughts, all-in and maybe take small pot but being that he went all in post flop I'd be screwed either way because me hitting 3 A's I still bet 2 something and he immediately went all in.


Oh and Rob wife 24/7 damn I know that scene oh to well ditto for my lady

nateofdeath said:

he did have you beat the whole way, and it's not like JJ is that awful of a hand, especially for a $2 prefolp raise. it would be one thing if he had 7-8 or something..... or was this not another one of your bad beat threads?

-n

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Not a bad beat technically.... Only question is wether or not I could or even should have gotten away from the hand. I don't know if I could after the cards came out sure I overplayed it preflop but hitting a set against someone who likely has an overpair or flush draw. Just never considered him to have pocket jacks... Thought this was gonna be a big winner. btw Most of the hands I post are not "venting" most times I am looking for a way I could have avoided what happened!

Cool! I guess there's a few ways to play this.

I disagree Mr Sticker (sorry) - I think the 100 bet was perfect to a) get some action and b) scare off the compulsive chasers. 3 x BB is industry standard, your 8 x BB raise is too much!

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Now do you lay this down? I think not, but maybe some of you might have a different take on it.

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Yeah, I always check-fold when I flop the nuts.

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Yeah, I always check-fold when I flop the nuts.

Wow! What a great strategy.. does it always work?
I mean do you save you chips when you impliment such a great strategy??

robwhufc said:

...I think the 100 bet was perfect...

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(Intended as good-hearted debate and NOT "Diablo VS Dennis". You're a cool dude, Rob but...)

Are we seeing the same hand history? Poor Jamile lost his entire stack. There's nothing "perfect" about that.

I agree an 8x BB bet is too much. But I think it is safest early in a SnG when the blinds are low and people are willing to risk 100 from their 1500 stack so they can chase. To top it off, you certainly don't want multiple callers with a bet so low. Besides, this guy still might have called 250 with KJ and it would have been the same situation.

I'll admit that there is no 100% solution. As illustrated previously, I even tried 10x BB and still failed.

MrSticker said:

Are we seeing the same hand history? Poor Jamile lost his entire stack. There's nothing "perfect" about that.

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Totally irrelivent in my opinion - if you make the right bet, and get the odds in your favour, then the actual outcome is immaterial - he made a good play and lost to a bad beat.

Completely agree with rob.
MrSticker, when you analyze a hand you have to analyze every move but without being results-oriented. You have to see if you made the correct betting and you achieved what you wanted. Look at this:
Full Tilt poker game #332853336: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (2161681), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:51:42 ET - 2005/12/12
Seat 1: MAD Nice (1,365)
Seat 2: Trumpman (1,955)
Seat 3: streske18 (1,380)
Seat 4: BIMMER99 (1,515)
Seat 5: middle57man (1,300)
Seat 6: jompa_banan (1,455)
Seat 7: Don Mega (1,545)
Seat 8: DokerPad (1,515)
Seat 9: Jamile100 (1,470)
Don Mega posts the small blind of 15
DokerPad posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamile100 [Ac Ad]
Jamile100 raises to 105
MAD Nice folds
Trumpman folds
streske18 calls 105
BIMMER99 folds
middle57man folds
jompa_banan folds
Don Mega: wins
Don Mega folds
DokerPad folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2c Qd]
Don Mega: oops
Don Mega: wrong window
Jamile100 has 15 seconds left to act
Jamile100 bets 255
streske18 raises to 1,275, and is all in
Jamile100 calls 1,020

If you analyze that, then you can´t say that it wasn´t the perfect play. Jamile, holding the nuts, made the other guy went all in. That´s all. Streske18 could have ANY hand and he still was going to be the underdog.
According to you MrSticker, Streske18 made the perfect play because he won?

That´s the reason of why i like when Paulsson doesn´t show the results when he post a hand in the hand analysis section, because he prevents us of being results-oriented.