Cold deck or Bad call?

i desire love · Oct 16, 2008

So I'm playing 100NL on Ftp, 120$ stack im on the button and its folded

around to me. Im dealt 99, raise to 3, SB calls and BB raises to 7. Now im

thinking i might be doing this with a lot of hands, considering he was a

good aggressive player. So i call 4 more, so does SB. Flops comes KK6.

Its checked around. 7 on the turn. Chekced around. Now 9 falls on the

river, giving me a full boat. At this point im 100% sure i have the best

hand,right?. SB checks, BB bets pot(20,40) and i raise to 50. SB folds and

BB shoves. I call and he shows KK for quads. Cold deck?

Steveg1976 · Oct 16, 2008

i desire love said:
So I'm playing 100NL on Full Tilt Poker, 120$ stack im on the button and its folded

around to me. Im dealt 99, raise to 3, SB calls and BB raises to 7. Now im

thinking i might be doing this with a lot of hands, considering he was a

good aggressive player. So i call 4 more, so does SB. Flops comes KK6.

Its checked around. 7 on the turn. Chekced around. Now 9 falls on the

river, giving me a full boat. At this point im 100% sure i have the best

hand,right?. SB checks, BB bets pot(20,40) and i raise to 50. SB folds and

BB shoves. I call and he shows KK for quads. Cold deck?

You were going broke on this hand no matter what but unless you are holding the KK you should never think you are 100% to win, just a cooler.

scragbag · Oct 16, 2008

I wouldn't even question my play here. I'd be shipping it on the river too and not even be bothered by it.

scragbag · Oct 16, 2008

O here's your answer btw. Cold deck

I'm waiting to see the post where someone tells you that you should have known Villain had quads

The_Kaizer · Oct 16, 2008

He raised you PF and KK is a hand you could have possibly put him on along with any other pair, or AK as you say he was a good player but as you say very very tough to not lose your cash hitting a boat on the river after its checked around twice. Cold Deck mate

i desire love · Oct 17, 2008

Alright, sucks tho

Felt so bad to see the muck buttons appeared on my

screen when i was sure to double up

cAPSLOCK · Oct 17, 2008

Meh.

Sometimes you get the Bear... Sometimes the Bear gets you.

Steveg1976 · Oct 17, 2008

cAPSLOCK said:
Meh.

Sometimes you get the Bear... Sometimes the Bear gets you.

and sometimes you say screw the woods I want a damn steak and cows are tasty

juz2swt · Oct 17, 2008

Ouch.. that sucks nothing you can do there everybody would have made the same move..

SavagePenguin · Oct 17, 2008

Yeah, you're pretty much guaranteed to go broke there. Only one (logical) hand has you beat, and there are a ton of other possibilities (like all the A/K combinations and lower sets) that stack here.

It is nice to see quads get paid off though.

Too bad it was you that paid them off.

trojan87 · Oct 17, 2008

it was definitly a cold deck the only way u get any from that hand is if u folded your pckt 9s preflop with the way the hand played out. i would have put the guy on ak and lost alot of money too your not the only one. i hate when i get the cooler hands as well.

chrismonk123 · Oct 18, 2008

defo a cold deck there! i would have pushed on the river with the 9s ful of kings.

X__Gandalf__X · Oct 18, 2008

Cold deck! Thank yourself lucky you didn't have a far bigger stack as this is the sort of hand with which even the very best players would go broke. I suppose it's a lesson in bankroll management if nothing else. One day maybe it will be you with the quads.

nevadanick · Oct 18, 2008

Look at the bright side. Could have been a 9 on the turn and a river 9.

A paired board bigger than your hole cards is always dangerous. You did tell us u raised the 20.40 pot bet to 50, and the push put u all-in at $120.

I think most here have said your play was right and it was just a cooler. If u lose, simply reload. I'm an old time limit player, so my take is a little different. I would have called the 20.40 and let it go at that.

Once villain pushed, I think I would have sensed I was in trouble. No shock about the muck button. Just curious - you didn't tell us if you showed or mucked ... ??

Why would I have just called the 20.40 pot bet? Stated that earlier. Facing a board pair bigger than my own. Even if villain had K,x in the hole, he already has me set over 2 pair and I have the low end. Any matching card to his 'x' in the hole also gives him a bigger boat 'if' I hit mine, as the 9 did on the river. Even a K,9 for the villain was quite possible.

Just me, but I would say u got outplayed. A check-around on the paired board turn = caution. Calling the pot bet, with one left to act, might have been a better play. Maybe SB had a K,x as well. Either hand could have me beat. If I call the bet and SB folds (which he did), it wasn't him. End of story, I win ~$65 or lose $30. Over-value of a weak boat cost $120.

With 2 players still in the hand, it's also quite possible that BOTH villains had u beat. One with a K,6 and one with K,7 (or even K,9). Not an unlikely scenario. Just my thoughts on playing weak boats into a paired brick board.

i desire love · Oct 18, 2008

nevadanick said:
Look at the bright side. Could have been a 9 on the turn and a river 9.

A paired board bigger than your hole cards is always dangerous. You did tell us u raised the 20.40 pot bet to 50, and the push put u all-in at $120.

I think most here have said your play was right and it was just a cooler. If u lose, simply reload. I'm an old time limit player, so my take is a little different. I would have called the 20.40 and let it go at that.

Once villain pushed, I think I would have sensed I was in trouble. No shock about the muck button. Just curious - you didn't tell us if you showed or mucked ... ??

Why would I have just called the 20.40 pot bet? Stated that earlier. Facing a board pair bigger than my own. Even if villain had K,x in the hole, he already has me set over 2 pair and I have the low end. Any matching card to his 'x' in the hole also gives him a bigger boat 'if' I hit mine, as the 9 did on the river. Even a K,9 for the villain was quite possible.

Just me, but I would say u got outplayed. A check-around on the paired board turn = caution. Calling the pot bet, with one left to act, might have been a better play. Maybe SB had a K,x as well. Either hand could have me beat. If I call the bet and SB folds (which he did), it wasn't him. End of story, I win ~$65 or lose $30. Over-value of a weak boat cost $120.

With 2 players still in the hand, it's also quite possible that BOTH villains had u beat. One with a K,6 and one with K,7 (or even K,9). Not an unlikely scenario. Just my thoughts on playing weak boats into a paired brick board.

Considering the raises preflop i doubt someone had K6 K7 K9, but the 9 on the river just paralysed me from seeing any other possibilitees then winning the hand. I did show my hand and left the table. Maybe a flat call would a been a good idea, but in the action its so hard to flat call when ur sure u got the best hand right.

-newbielicious- · Oct 18, 2008

i would say just a cold deck... i mean u should NEVER be 100% sure u had the best hand unless you have the absolute nuts.... online u can never be too sure when u are best and when u are beat... a lot of my GREAT hands get beat by the nuts but i cant do nothin about it cuz its almost an insta call... i guess i gotta learn to fold lol

GSpicoli · Oct 18, 2008

The only thing you can do there is to tell your opponent "Nice Hand" cash back into the room and try to lick your wounds. Hopefully the experience doesn't put you on tilt.

nevadanick · Oct 18, 2008

i desire love said:
Considering the raises preflop i doubt someone had K6 K7 K9, but the 9 on the river just paralysed me from seeing any other possibilitees then winning the hand. I did show my hand and left the table. Maybe a flat call would a been a good idea, but in the action its so hard to flat call when ur sure u got the best hand right.

Oh yes, remember those feelings well - being so smug about my good fortune on that river card ... lol. It's the paired brick board and double check around that would have put me on alert. A low end boat to the paired K board is the biggest reason I would have flat called. Long term, I think I win more and lose less that way.

I can almost hear you at the 'muck' button - WHAT THE ....

sveta66 · Oct 18, 2008

hey i feel bad for you, but i would probably do the same thing, its not like you played it wrong the dude just out flopped you. but good luck in the future hopefully next time you will win. See ya at the tables

califantasy · Oct 18, 2008

No way you could have put him on quads, but why was the flop checked around? Didn't want to put a feeler bet out to see where you were? If no nine on the turn, can you get away from your hand if he bets it?

i desire love · Oct 18, 2008

califantasy said:
No way you could have put him on quads, but why was the flop checked around? Didn't want to put a feeler bet out to see where you were? If no nine on the turn, can you get away from your hand if he bets it?

Could of bet the flop, but i guess i didnt lol.Probably geting away from it if he raises me, but no way he raises me on that flop right. He flat calls and then checks the turn obv waiting for a bet... now what do i do? can i really put him on a K?

califantasy · Oct 20, 2008

Probably not. I think you described a no-win situation, but at least a bet on the flop would tell you if he had the trips in the event that you didn't improve. A call would have told you that.

Once you made the boat, you were bound to lose the chips unless you put him on KK or K9.

i desire love · Oct 21, 2008

Guess the rush of seeing the 9 on the river blinded me from any others possibilites then winning that monster pot ( yeahh monster pot

)

PC69 · Oct 21, 2008

I would have instacalled too.

un-diluted · Oct 21, 2008

cAPSLOCK said:
Meh.

Sometimes you get the shark... Sometimes the shark gets you.

fyp

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