cardrunners hand part 2 - read part 1 1st

what do you do on flop?

  • lead out (for how much)

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  • check

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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stormswa

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going to post this now so I dont have to rewatch video

ok so Andrew raises to $60 preflop and big blind calls, cutoff calls and button calls. :eek:

flop comes down JsQd6s

now what do you do? there is $237 in the pot and you are 1st to act?
 
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I think you have to lead this flop for around 2/3 pot, you dont want to risk giving a free card with 3 others in the pot and possible flush/straight draws out there.
 
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I think JJ, QQ, AA, KK will reraise preflop, what we have to worry about is QJ, 66.

On a drawy flop, we have to price out the draws. 2/3-PSB. I'd prefer to pot it, since there are so many callers. We want to take it down now, or preferably take out a few of those in the hands.
 
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I think JJ, QQ, AA, KK will reraise preflop, what we have to worry about is QJ, 66.

On a drawy flop, we have to price out the draws. 2/3-PSB. I'd prefer to pot it, since there are so many callers. We want to take it down now, or preferably take out a few of those in the hands.


I dont think QJ is going to call unless it is the button guy. I wouldnt rule out AA or KK though. I could see either of those hands cold calling expecailly KK wanting to see flop 1st then proceed if no A hit.
 
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I think we can safely rule out KK, I don't think shorthanded players are going to play KK so passively. Granted, there's a chance, but he's asking to be outdrawn with so many callers in the hand.
 
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I think we can safely rule out KK, I don't think shorthanded players are going to play KK so passively. Granted, there's a chance, but he's asking to be outdrawn with so many callers in the hand.


yea but put it this way, if we raise to $60 the BB might have KK and slowplaying against us thinking the other 2 are not going to call.
 
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yea but put it this way, if we raise to $60 the BB might have KK and slowplaying against us thinking the other 2 are not going to call.

Definitely possible. So, the range can be really wide. Crap, I hate situations like this. what's more with so many callers. Still, Villain can be holding any pocket pairs 88+
 
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its just really hard to put any of them on a hand here. To cold call $60 they have to have at least decent hands. the only one I see having a set is maybe the button after the 2 callers before him. Dont think BB could have 66 here QJ maybe, JJ possible. I dont see big blind having JJ here because that would be bad call from him seeing 2 people still to act behind him so he has to have big hand.

the other 2 I have on idea.
 
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KK+ rarely follows that line. We can never omit a hand completely from a range, but it's very unlikely here IMO considering the conditions. JJ is my biggest fear.

I lead out for ~2/3 pot or 3/4, and take it from there. Considering the effective stack and pot sizes, we'll probably have to call a shove.
 
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its just really hard to put any of them on a hand here. To cold call $60 they have to have at least decent hands. the only one I see having a set is maybe the button after the 2 callers before him. Dont think BB could have 66 here QJ maybe, JJ possible. I dont see big blind having JJ here because that would be bad call from him seeing 2 people still to act behind him so he has to have big hand.

the other 2 I have on idea.

Any PP might be possible, down to AK-AQ. Still, BB, will be calling off more than 10% of his stack, small-Medium PP, not that possible if we're going by the 5/10 rule (implied odds of less than 10:1, it won't be profitable in the long run).
 
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my post was supposed to read

the other 2 I have no idea.

yea we dont want to rule anything out, its a rough spot.
 
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I think JJ, QQ, AA, KK will reraise preflop, what we have to worry about is QJ, 66. If this was the case he would most likely reaised PF. The QJ would have folded with your reraise PF. The only one you would have to worry about is the 6s.

On a drawy flop, we have to price out the draws. 2/3-PSB. I'd prefer to pot it, since there are so many callers. We want to take it down now, or preferably take out a few of those in the hands.

Pot bet to take it down.
 
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he leads out in actul hand but says checking would be fine there also.
 
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he leads out in actul hand but says checking would be fine there also.

With the intention of CRAI?

Dunno, I'm a little torn, on one hand it's a pretty co-ordinated board so there's some risk involved in checking and giving three hands a potential free card, on the other hand there's not a lot of drawing hands that are feasible here - T9 invariably folds preflop, most suited cards fold preflop, all we're really afraid of giving a free card to is AsKs, or AsQs (in which case we're getting freerolled anyway), maybe weaker AsXs hands.
 
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With the intention of CRAI?

Dunno, I'm a little torn, on one hand it's a pretty co-ordinated board so there's some risk involved in checking and giving three hands a potential free card, on the other hand there's not a lot of drawing hands that are feasible here - T9 invariably folds preflop, most suited cards fold preflop, all we're really afraid of giving a free card to is AsKs, or AsQs (in which case we're getting freerolled anyway), maybe weaker AsXs hands.


yea im not thrilled how he played this hand, I dont think he is either from way he is talking in video.
 
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well with so many draws out i can see a draw betting at this. i think checking is an alright move basically for that reason alone. also if given a free card we might see a draw or underpair bet a blank turn if we cant get any money into the flop.
 
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