Calling range vs a SS

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poker stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

BB: $5.00
UTG: $25.00
UTG+1: $25.00
UTG+2: $25.00
MP1: $25.00
MP2: $25.00
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $25.00
Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with X X
6 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, 1 fold, BB raises to $5
Whats our calling range and why against various opponents?

1) vs a TAG with 15/13/3 stats.
2) vs a Nit with 8/6/2 stats.
 
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Im trying to figure out the same thing as I played a bit yesterday and was the only full stack at the table. Whenever i raised one of the shortstacks would just shove.

against 1) im probably calling with most pairs, and probably AQ+
He is very agressive and has a wide raising range. Probably raising a lot of pairs overcards, and maybe even a couple of week Aces.

against 2) Probably from JJ-AA and also AK.
Only plays premiums so ill give him more respect for his raises, will only call him down with premiums as well.
 
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vs 1, 99+,AQ+
vs 2, QQ+, AK
 
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TBH, I have seen this and have done this myself.
SS bought in for $5(bare minimum) and pushes his stack in, your looking at any PP/any ace here.
#2. TT+/A10+
#1. Any PP/Ax
 
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It's strictly a matter of equity here, but this is a little tough without 3-betting history and our image (steal % since we're opening OTB).
 
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Against the TAG, I would call w/ TT+
Against the NIT, I would call w/ JJ+

Here's how and why I made this decision- First, I assigned a range of hands to each opponent. This range of hands is obviously debatable, but for the purpose of discussion here is what I did.

TAG- I gave him a fairly wide range. Pocket pairs 44-->AA, ATs-->AKs, ATo-->AKo, KQs, KQo.

NIT- For simplicity's sake I gave him pocket pairs 44-->AA, and AKs. (I started at pocket 4's to compensate if he thought you were stealing... However, I don't think the numbers change very much if you restrict his range to 77 or 88+, AKs.)

I then calculated pot equity for 99+ and AKs against both player's ranges, and arrived at a weighted average equity against their ranges for each hand. Here they are (percentages are rounded):

** Anything less than AKs will be even money or worse, so I didn't include any other big aces here-

VS. TAG

AA=84%
KK=78%
QQ=67%
JJ=61%
TT=56%
99=55%
AKs=55%

VS. NIT

AA=81%
KK=72%
QQ=66%
JJ=60%
TT=55%
99=51% ** Even money
AKs=44% ** This is a net loser against a nit range-


I was a bit surprised by these results, especially the figures for AKs- It seems that calling with AKs, 99 and TT is basically a break-even play against a TAG, and AKs turns out to be a net loser against the NIT. I personally prefer a bigger edge. I am more concerned with making money against these players than I am winning as many pots as I can. The only time that I would shade the range down to include AKs and 99, TT is if the player was holding 16BB or less, and I am getting better pot odds to call. This is an example of why I will not typically over-commit preflop vs. a shortstack like that- You are raising 20% of his stack, and it feels foolish to fold, but it's probably the right idea in most cases if you are raising with a wide range of hands.. Thoughts?
 
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Edge is edge - any time we're a favourite (or are getting pot odds when we're a dog) over a range in something as simple as an all-in situation in a ring game, we need to call. I'm not sure we can really get precise here until we have information on our image, steal frequency and our opponents' 3-betting frequency thus far since they all factor in to how we calculate our opponent's range here.

As a very rough guess I'd say you're a little tight with the ranges there, but that's a guesstimation based on how these players would react to my playing style which includes lots of stealing and a little aggression.

Pokerstove or Holdem Ranger will help with those equity calculations by the way - you can assign ranges as opposed to single hands and make your life a lot easier :)
 
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Those are all good points- I use a mac, so I don't have access to pokerstove or poker tracker (until it gets released for OS X in the spring/summer) :(. Granted, I am probably a little tight in this situation- I'm still expanding my comfort level in these types of situations, and without a HUD to tell me what's happening in detail, I am more likely to err on the side of caution for now-
 
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in regards to chuck,

Opponents 3-bet range
the SS only ever 3-bet all-in.
He never calls an open raise. ie if I raise he either folds or shoves.
(im trying to keep it relatively simple here)

Our Image
overall a pretty TAG style with 15/10/1.5 stats. Our attempted to steal% is 27%.

Is that what you are looking for?
 
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