Call this reraise by the SB or no?

TheNoob

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SB was unhappy with me when the hand played out. Felt I should have caved to the re-raise.

I honestly thought he was just trying to fight a steal.

Turned out ok, but is this bad play to call this re-raise?



Stacks:
* BB with $32.80
* UTG with $20.70
* MP1 with $6.85
* MP2 with $38.65
* CO with $26.55
* BTN with $15.40
* SB with $24.85

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to CO:3♣ 3♠
* * Sklansky group 7
Preflop:
* * 3 players fold.
* * Hero raises to $0.85
* * 1 players fold.
* * SB raises to $2.50
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$1.65]
* * Total folds this street: 5
* * Potsize: $5.25
Flop:
* * A♣ 3♥ 8♠
* * SB bets [$4]
* * Hero raises to $8
* * SB calls [$4]
* * Potsize: $21.25
Turn:
* * 10♥
* * SB bets [$6]
* * Hero raises to $16.05, and is all in
* * SB calls [$8.35] [ all-in ] Hero shows :
* * 3♣ 3♠
* * SB shows :
* * A♦ K♥ Uncalled bet of $1.70 returned to Hero
* * Potsize: $51.65
River:
* * Q♣
* * Hero shows three of a kind, Threes
* * SB shows a pair of Aces Hero wins the pot ($47.50) with three of a kind, Threes

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TheNoob

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Well, Noob, I can't help you with your question, but after tonight when you got freakin STACKED by set over set with your precious set of 3's, maybe you'll think twice before you get so excited.

Dope.
 
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Looks fine to me, you played it goot...
 
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if you think your read is right preflop, that he was trying to make a move on you then you definitely made the right play, also you have position in the hand which makes it a lot eaisier to play your threes postflop..

however if he was a super tight player i might fold pre cause I don't think you would be getting set mining odds correct me if i am wrong tho.
 
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however if he was a super tight player i might fold pre cause I don't think you would be getting set mining odds correct me if i am wrong tho.

Completely the opposite...this can only be profitable vs a real tight player who is going to either have a big pp or make a TPTK type hand postflop that will stack off vs your set.

It is a small 3B and villain is full stacked, so it isn't terrible but it is a pretty marginal call. As a general rule i'd only call 3Bs to set mine when:

vs a real tight player
vs a smallish 3B
>100bbs

Typically you do not want to be calling 3Bs with small pps and trying to set mine coz it just won't be profitable overall. Villain is unlikely to be tight enough to stack off everytime you hit your sets (AK misses >2/3 times (because a 3 on the flop decreases odds of an A or K coming), QQ gets a flop like 3A5, etc.), unless they are pretty spewy postflop/the type of nit that simply cannot let go of a good preflop hand.
 
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.Not that I totally disagree with you cause I do see your point, but if he is a super tight player, we are only hitting our set 1 outta every 8 times so if he did have a bigger PP, 7 outta 8 times we are dominated...
 
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:S do you not see how completely incorrect that logic is?

Unless you are very strong postflop and have very good reads on villain, you do not ever want to be playing 33 unimproved in a 3B pot. You can almost never get a "good flop" for 33. Ergo, the only way you want to continue is if you hit a set.

Now if villain is not tight and has alot of light 3Bs here, then you still have to fold everytime you don't make a set but now when you do make a set you aren't getting paid off because villain's range is so wide that they almost never have a hand strong enough to continue. So you are left in a spot where you must bluff with 33 alot postflop to try and make the call profitable, and unless you really know what you are doing that is going to get you in really bad situations and is not a play you should be making at nl25.

So it is much better to be dominated 7/8 times because at least then you have some implied odds.
 
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.Not that I totally disagree with you cause I do see your point, but if he is a super tight player, we are only hitting our set 1 outta every 8 times so if he did have a bigger PP, 7 outta 8 times we are dominated...

What feitr is saying is you are not playing you pp in this situation for the strength of your hand as it is now. You are looking to hit a set and stack your opponent.

You are trading a small preflop mistake(calling with a worse hand) so that your opponent can make a much larger one (stacking off with a worse hand). That is the very nature of implied odds and what makes set mining a profitable strategy.

For the record I use a stack to call ratio of 12/1 this is not my idea but I have read it and seen it here. Basically it helps to account for the times when you hit your set and lose, hit your set and don't get your opponents stack because they fold.
 
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i came here to post the exact 6 words above. listen to vanq

only exception might be if you're like 200 BBs deep and the other player overplays one pair hands badly. but vs. any normal-sized 3bet with 100 BB stacks you're not getting the implied odds to play a hand for set value alone
 
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