Bottom set vs all-in re-re-re-raise on turn

Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/22 - 18:04:07 (ET)
Table 'Jabbah III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: soppsuppe ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 2: alan1983 ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Donnie04 ($19.60 in chips)
Seat 4: cavjoe ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 5: paultjuh ($36.10 in chips)
Donnie04: posts small blind $0.10
cavjoe: posts big blind $0.25
VikingNorway: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to alan1983 [As 3s]
paultjuh: folds
soppsuppe: calls $0.25
alan1983: calls $0.25
Donnie04: folds
cavjoe: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d 5s 3h]
cavjoe: checks
soppsuppe: bets $0.25
cavjoe said, "GIPPO MANCS"
alan1983: calls $0.25
cavjoe: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [3d 5s 3h] [Jc]
cavjoe: checks
soppsuppe: bets $0.50
alan1983: raises $1 to $1.50
cavjoe: folds
soppsuppe: raises $1.75 to $3.25
alan1983: raises $3.75 to $7
cavjoe said, "ALL IN"
soppsuppe: raises $16.90 to $23.90 and is all-in
alan1983:.....?

Teh BB checked preflop, wich doesn' give us any info on his hand (and can put him on a broad range of hands). With no flush or straights possible on the board, you are either way behind or way in front:
a) BB has JJ and you've been beaten
b) BB has a 3 and a lower kicker and you're way in front
c) BB has 5 and J and you're way in front
d) BB has 3 and J and has flopped a full
e) BB has pocket 5's and you're way behind

Now, I think that it's someone messing with top pair and middle pair, but it very well could be a full or another set of trips with lower kicker. But the re-re-raise action looks like someone getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar and trying to get away with it (Jack with high kicker or two pairs).

If he had caught the trips on the flop with a 3, I expect either a check/raise either a check/call: he cannot suspect other trips and is slowplaying. But it looks way too much like a feller bet and feeling weakness, he decides that with J-5, he has the better hand at the turn.

I call, since I stand a very good chance of doubling up unless he has flopped a full house, wich is even more unlikely because betting first with trips when you have not much draws on the board, would've gotten you out of the pot if you hadn't hit the flop. Hard to tell without tells from previous hands. That 0.25 (just like the .50 on the turn) looks like a bet from someone with two high cards... On the other hand, if the guy is a rock, I fold without hesitation, a maniac or a donk, I call.

PS: raising on the flop would've been wise because you are coming into the turn practically blind.

I wouldn't put in the 3rd raise on the turn Alan, mainly for pot control. You've raised him on a paired board and he's re-raised you. So I'd say he has at least trips, but it's entirely possible he already has a full house with 55 or 53 and you could be drawing to 1-3 outs. This is made more likely by the fact that there are very few hands containing a 3 other than A3 that will limp in. Just call and re-assess the river. As played, unless this guy is a complete donk and you have a specific read on him as a maniac, you should fold it.

Yeah, something is wrong there, I don't like it. I'd say you're beat there, it sure feels like it unless he's a donk like BJ says. Without that info you should fold this. I agree also that you shouldn't put that 3rd reraise in there, that is stuff you do when you have a real monster. Once he reraises your reraise at most you should call with that hand, as there are ways you can lose.

yeah youre 1000% right, the thied raise was a big mistake. After his first reraise on turn i put him on 53, but the guy had called down a few pots before it and lost and i could feel him getting frustrated a bit, so after i made the mistake of raising, i figured id fold to a shove.

But then i thought maybe ehs getting pissed enough to do this with any 3 so folding didnt seem so easy anymore.

But yes the 7 raise was a big mistake. I thought i didnt want to call any bet on river but i didnt realise i had made pot bigger than it wouldve been on the turn alone lol

What's your read on the Villain? Looks like Villain made a jack to me. no preflop raise, either he's slowplaying JJ, QQ, KK or AA. Maybe he's made jacks with AJ.

I'd have called.

Na i didnt think hed be that weak.

he bet out minimum at flop so hed get called. And with all the raises on turn, he has at least trips. The problem was figuring out if it could be just trips or a full house