Bottom Set, Multi-Way Pot

The Shrog

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Stacks:
MP2 with $5.20
CO with $16.25
BTN with $9.95
SB with $13.60
BB with $10.00
UTG with $10.00
UTG+1 with $10.00
MP1 with $14.45

Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to MP1:2♥ 2♦
Sklansky group 7
Preflop:
UTG raises $0.30 to $0.40
1 players fold.
Hero calls [$0.40]
1 players fold.
CO calls [$0.40]
BTN calls [$0.40]
2 players folded.
Total folds this street: 4
Potsize: $1.75
Flop:
2♣ 4♠ 6♥
UTG bets [$1.60]
2 players fold.
Hero raises $2.40 to $4
1 players fold.
BTN calls [$4]
1 players folded.
Total folds this street: 2
Potsize: $11.35
Turn:
7♣

Should we be afraid of the button just coming along on this board? He's 14/11/1..I don't know if I'm supposed to just put the rest in on the turn by shoving, ch/calling...I don't knooooooooooow.
 
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Looks to me like villain is holding an AKs or JJ or better here with the cbet and then call to your reraise. I wouldn't be too afraid of the str8 here because he didn't reraise you. The turn card, imo, is a blank for him. I would bet 3/4 pot to pot trying to take this one down here.
 
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bet half pot and put the rest in on the river.
 
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bet half pot and put the rest in on the river.

I was thinking about stringing him along, but wouldn't you be worried about a higher set?
 
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I was thinking about stringing him along, but wouldn't you be worried about a higher set?

If I was him and was holding set or a straight after the flop I would go all in afrer your $2.40 raise to protect it. I think that in 70% of the time youve got him beat here.
 
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We're going broke if he has a higher set no matter what we do on the turn.
 
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We're going broke if he has a higher set no matter what we do on the turn.

I'm not that sure. I know I can get away from a low set if my read tells me it's a good chance there is a higher one. It would be easier in a multi-way pot to get away from though.

I do see your point. He isn't likely to toss high pockets with that board. But I think I would still have to take the chance on shoving him off of his hand.
 
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But I think I would still have to take the chance on shoving him off of his hand.

After putting $4.40 in up to the turn, I don't think he's folding for his last $5.55.
 
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Okay, I just went up and re-looked at the problem. I'm either missing something or something isn't right.

First off, there are 8 players to begin with...
then 4 players fold leaving 4 preflop, right?

Well, after MP1 bets out it says 2 players fold with two left to act!:eek: That would be five players.

Where am I going wrong? I wasn't paying much attention at first, but now this seems kinda screwy!
 
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Okay, I just went up and re-looked at the problem. I'm either missing something or something isn't right.

First off, there are 8 players to begin with...
then 4 players fold leaving 4 preflop, right?

Well, after MP1 bets out it says 2 players fold with two left to act!:eek: That would be five players.

Where am I going wrong? I wasn't paying much attention at first, but now this seems kinda screwy!
UTG bets out on the flop,Hero raises,BTN calls,CO folds and UTG folds.

Im betting out half the pot and then shoving river.
 
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If you're going to fold a set, don't call with 22 preflop. Set mining is only profitable if you expect opponents to stack light with TP-type hands.

The turn's a blank, only hand it completes is 85.

Villain barely has half pot bet left and there are a ton of hands he could pay you off here where a river card kills your action. Just shove it in imo here and expect to get a lot of calls from 88-JJ, any 2 pair hand (in fact that turn helped you because 76 is definitely in his range here imo), or if he's bad he could pay you off with overs or a straight/flush draw.

It's not even a disaster if he flopped the straight as we have outs but if he flopped that or a higher set it's just a cooler unless he's a complete nit, in which case you shouldn't be set mining anyway with 22, where your money comes from you hitting a set and villain overplaying a one-pair hand and paying you off.

But yeah, no need to get fancy imo, just shove this turn, doesn't really matter if you want to bet enough to put him all-in or just your shove. If you think you can level this guy do whichever you think he's more likely to call otherwise they're the same.
 
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I'm not that sure. I know I can get away from a low set if my read tells me it's a good chance there is a higher one.

I'm pretty sure this ability is a big leak in your game. You're NEVER sure enough that you're in a set over set situation to make folding bottom set profitable.
 
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Alright, all comments appreciated. I shipped the turn and villain showed up with 53s. No board pair on the end.
 
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