re: Poker & Beginner: 2NL High Pair w/ Straight Draw
Originally Posted by ChurchSkiz
When the flop came, normally I would have minraised, but applied my lesson from yesterday and bet 4x BB. Though in retrospect, this was useless as the pot was so high this might have well been a check.
This caught my eye; there's a bet sizing lesson in here for you as well. The whole #xBB sizing (or #xBB + 1BB/limper) only comes into play PF on your initial raise. But on the flop, turn, and river, you should be thinking in terms of fractions of the pot size, not BB any more. So let's forget about the actual hand for a minute. The pot size is $1.67 when the flop comes out. If you're going to lead at this pot, then (for example sake) we'd talk about 1/2 pot, 2/3 pot, or maybe 3/4 of the pot, etc. So if you're c-betting 1/2 pot it would be about $.85 and 2/3 would be $1.20-$1.25. Note that I just round a bit and not worry about the exact #. You could make it $.83-$.84 or $1.23-$1.24 as well; whatever works for you.
So, back to the hand now:
Fold KJs preflop in this situation (one limper then a standard PF raise in front of you). If you were first in or even behind one limper then I wouldn't mind raising here from the CO.
On the flipside, if you are really going to reraise here, then you need to raise more. You're not trying to trap or be trickly with KJs (it's not a great hand), so your reraise is really hoping to win it right here or hopefully isolate and set you up to c-bet/win on the flop. So your reraise should really have been to $.30-$.35 imo (probably $.35 I think based on your description of the players, your massive stack in their face, and several players to act behind). That may also change the dynamic of the PF action. Would button really flat here for > 1/3 of his stack? Doubtful. He probably shoves or folds now. SB may reraise all in, but for only $.03 more which doesn't reopen the betting. And MP3 is also then shove/fold. Can't see him flatting there either. So by reraising you've then essentially changed the whole play PF and your decisions are much easier.
Having said all that, fold PF there.
As played, the button called the flop bet with virtually ATC since you gave him 22 to 1 odds so you have no idea where you are at. There is a FD now not of your suit, but you picked up a gutshot to go with middle pair so you may have outs. Hard to believe he flatted two PF raises with nothing or A high; could be set mining I suppose (not JJ or QQ because those shove there PF 100% of the time at $2NL) but that's a lot of his stack (but again quality of player comes to mind...what have you seen him do?). AK/AQ is possible too here though at least AK might shove PF; maybe AQ too at this level. KT or anything that two pairs there (including QJ imo) is highly unlikely unless he was dropped on his head as a kid. He's already put half his stack into the pot, so he's most likely (99%) going all the way with this. As is I'd lead out for the rest of his stack $.42 and see if he's willing to throw it away. If he does call, you'll still have outs if you're behind. It's a fugly board, but I think you have to make him decide what to do and also realize that a $2NL you're ahead here at this point a lot as well.