The beauty of luck in cash games.

white_lytning

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This hand happened last night. It shows why I like cash games so much better than tournaments. This hand would not have played out like this in a tourney.

Live, 2/5 NLH

My hand, 10h7h

Pre flop: I'm in late/middle position at a fairly tight table, with a few guys that are regulars at this card room. 2 calls before me, I decide to call with the 10 7. Everyone calls till the BB raises it up to $25.

Two folds to me and I call, BB is a weak player that I have been able to out play after the flop and he is short stacked.

Button raises it $75 and is all in.

BB goes all in for only $20 more.

$95 more to me to get to a pot of almost $250.

I think for a while about what the BB could have. I decide hes on a weak middle pair, 5s-8s trying to buy it now with the extra money in it. I think I have two cards higher than his pair. I put the BB on a big ace and think that both of my cards are live, and I have a lot of chips at the time for the table (over $500). This hand will give me action for the rest of the night and I'm usually not this loose. I make the call.

Flop comes 2h, 8c, 2c.

Turn: 3d,

River: 10S

I show 10 7, Button mucks his hand, (later said he had 9s)

BB flips A K

I take a nice pot.

I wanted to get in the hand with only the BB and out play him. When the button raised the whole hand changed. I had played with the BB a lot and am pretty familiar with how he plays. I thought I had a pretty good read on him. My only fault was my read on the button if he did have 9s, I didn't think he had a pair that good, but looking back at it, it is a play he would make with 9s and is very possible. Im pretty sure that if both my cards were alive it was pretty much even for all of us to take that pot (anyone know the odds?). If he had the 9s, then I was a dog and the poker gods were smiling on me.
 
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To make a long story short: YOU GOT LUCKY on a god awful play. Nice catch though
 
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To make a long story short: YOU GOT LUCKY on a god awful play. Nice catch though

Several god awful plays actually.

If he had 99 you where about 22% to win preflop and only about 7% on the river.
 
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And what if he had 5s or 6s like I originally thought? I don't know the math.
 
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ten7 hearts vs 55 is 49 to 49 lol. vs 66 its 47 to 51.
vs 99 its 32 to 67. So you your original idea of calling was good because you can outplay them on the flop through sheer aggression or whatever. But when they are allin they are going to see the river which makes them the favorite.
 
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You certainly had a lot of gamble there. It paid for you. I wish I had that spirit sometimes. While it was not a great play to make, it certainly showed that you are good at mixing it up some.
 
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Wow. You certainly showed more courage than I ever could at the table. Or else insanity! LOL. In any case, nice win. And you did read the opponents ok. Good stuff!
 
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You certainly had a lot of gamble there. It paid for you. I wish I had that spirit sometimes. While it was not a great play to make, it certainly showed that you are good at mixing it up some.
Wow. You certainly showed more courage than I ever could at the table. Or else insanity! LOL. In any case, nice win. And you did read the opponents ok. Good stuff!
lol one post would have been sufficient
 
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This is horrible. If I was involved in this hand I'd take you outside in the parking lot and beat you like a redheaded stepchild.
 
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I hate to say this but you are being extremely results oriented and trying to get people to justify your poor play...

You can't look at a single hand say "aha I was right, he had this and I wasn't such a longshot". You have to look at the entirety of all hands you do this with and there will be in there a very large number of times where you are completely dominated.



let's recap:

1) "BB is short stacked": that's more reason to NOT play than to play. short stacked players if they decide to play back at you are going to be all in quickly and you have almost no room to try and "outplay" them. If you are trying to steal the blinds that's one thing (not a great idea from there with that hand anyway).


1) you simply called to open... if you have to play it raise it at least and give yourself some fold equity

2) you called two all ins with a bad hand meaning your hand will get shown to the rest of the table in the event you do manage to win, giving you a very loose/reckless image. Unless that's what you want, not a great idea.

3) you are forcing the action where you are AT BEST somewhere near a coin flip and extremely easily dominated.... generally not a good idea. And btw you were pretty dominated here..you sucked out and got lucky. This is as standard a fold as it gets preflop after two all ins. calling is just flat out horrible.

4) "the beauty of luck in poker". The only beautiful thing about luck in poker is that you can substantially minimize it through good play. You are doing the exact opposite and forcing luck to be the only factor.


Sorry man but this is just awful all the way through.
 
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this is so silly...you think you can outplay the BB when he has $20 behind in a pot that will be something like $70 and is lead shoving the flop absolutely regardless of the cards?

everything is absolutely awful, except perhaps the limp if there were some deeper stacked players, but that is still extremely marginal. calling BB raise was god awful, calling the all in was god awful since there is almost no way you have pot odds even after your terrible call of the BB.

how can you put button on a range like 55-88? i could see 55+ or even 55-QQ or something if you are sure he would try to ensure action with a hand like KK/AA, but 55-88 is silly. Anyways, even if button had 77/88 and the BB had 2 overcards, you have terrible equity. Only in the incredibly lucky situation, where button has something like 55/66 and BB has overcards, do you get decent equity (pretty close to 1:1:1) and correct pot odds (although you shouldn't have pot odds coz you should have folded once BB raised). Any one of them have an overpair and you are crushed.

I could not even fathom calling a 1/2 stack raise from a shortstack with speculative crap like T7s. That is like the most incorrect cash game play possible.
 
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