Bad Fold? QQ on under flop [50nl FR]

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pokerstars GAME #16799960919: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/17 - 16:21:03 (ET)
Table 'Tanga' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: stefbois ($89.55 in chips)
Seat 2: chavarie ($94.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Yenic0laus ($57.25 in chips)
Seat 4: fripotin ($53.40 in chips)
Seat 5: japo07 ($33.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Alcony ($64.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Pico2212 ($40.80 in chips)
Seat 8: Versatti ($36.85 in chips)
Seat 9: zachvac ($50 in chips)
Versatti: posts small blind $0.25
zachvac: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachvac [Qs Qh]
stefbois: calls $0.50
chavarie: raises $2 to $2.50
Yenic0laus: folds
fripotin: folds
japo07: folds
Alcony: folds
Pico2212: folds
Versatti: folds
zachvac: calls $2
stefbois: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [4s 5s 2d]
zachvac: checks
stefbois: checks
chavarie: bets $5.50
zachvac: raises $7.50 to $13
stefbois: raises $74.05 to $87.05 and is all-in
chavarie: folds
zachvac: folds
 
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Ohhhh, why no 3bet pre-flop ?

Without the 3-bet pre-flop then I think this is a fold, we have no idea where we are, 99/1010/JJ can take this line on the flop, but rarely 4-bet preflop. I think I prefer the 3-bet /fold like preflop.
 
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Ohhhh, why no 3bet pre-flop ?

Without the 3-bet pre-flop then I think this is a fold, we have no idea where we are, 99/1010/JJ can take this line on the flop, but rarely 4-bet preflop. I think I prefer the 3-bet /fold like preflop.

Agreed, I can't see much a reason not to reraise pf. It's your first hand there and he could likely be bullying you since you've not played with them.
 
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Ohhhh, why no 3bet pre-flop ?

Without the 3-bet pre-flop then I think this is a fold, we have no idea where we are, 99/1010/JJ can take this line on the flop, but rarely 4-bet preflop. I think I prefer the 3-bet /fold like preflop.

^^^

Especially with the initial limper, you want to isolate this hand and get value for it. As played we're completely in the dark in the hand.
 
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I think it's a good fold, he's not doing this against another deep stack (chav, the pf raiser) with just an overpair. At the very worst he's semibluffing with a straight flush draw, maybe ace 3 suited in spades. I think you should have reraised to $9 preflop, then if you got heads up with one player on this flop you could bet and call a shove.
 
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It's a good fold and a bad play by stefbois, pushing $87 to win $26.

He is most likely not check/raising all-in on a pure bluff. Especially against your check/raise. He can put the original raiser on having made a continuation bet, but he cannot discredit your check/raise. An all-in push into a check/raise, that's strong action. He has to hope not only the original raiser does not have AA/KK, but has to worry that you don't have a monster given you check/raised.

Well he isn't worried, he knows you two are proud of what your holding, especially you. But he has the current nuts, so if you are going to draw out on him you are going to pay, so he pushes way too hard.

Thats my take :)
 
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Well 99% of the time I do 3-bet this, but this guy had been very aggressive and raised/folded to my 3-bets a few times already. I know it's risky because of the fact that a K or A really kills me, but this was a play against that opponent. The caller behind kinda hurt me, he was very tight and I didn't expect a call from him. Because of him being relatively tight preflop (I think he called 4% of preflop raises), I didn't worry about him and postflop that was a major reason I folded. He's not doing this with lower pairs much at all and I think the majority of his range is actually fixed around AKs, which is beating us here about 60-40. I can also see sets here where I'd be drawing to 2 outs and I really don't see him check-raising a check-raise with anything else. Just wanted to make sure others agreed with me on the fold.

fwiw that's actually the first cold call preflop with QQ this year (100k+ hands) that wasn't calling an all-in.
 
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