AQo vs. Apparent Flush Draw

insolitude

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One more for you guys, I appreciate any advise as to how to best handle what appears to be a clear flush draw.

PokerStars Game #15116268520: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/02/07 - 02:22:32 (ET)
Table 'Bobone III' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Naaiko ($3.87 in chips)
Seat 2: docxx987 ($2.77 in chips)
Seat 3: jj_gunn ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 4: pis.joddo ($4.98 in chips)
Seat 5: JohnyMasters ($2.94 in chips)
Seat 6: garrymdp ($6.76 in chips)
Seat 7: ssalmosa ($4.81 in chips)
Seat 8: insolitude ($6.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Sl0wH8nd ($5.04 in chips)
pis.joddo: posts small blind $0.01
JohnyMasters: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insolitude [Qd As]
garrymdp: calls $0.02
ssalmosa: folds
insolitude: raises $0.08 to $0.10
Sl0wH8nd: folds
Naaiko: folds
docxx987: calls $0.10
jj_gunn: calls $0.10
pis.joddo: folds
JohnyMasters: folds
garrymdp: folds
*** FLOP *** [9s Jc 8s]
insolitude: bets $0.20
docxx987: calls $0.20
jj_gunn: calls $0.20
*** TURN *** [9s Jc 8s] [Ad]
insolitude: bets $0.36
Sl0wH8nd is sitting out
docxx987: calls $0.36
jj_gunn: calls $0.36
*** RIVER *** [9s Jc 8s Ad] [Js]
insolitude: ???
 
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This is a flop I'm rarely c-betting as it hits your opponents' ranges so hard that it's not worth fighting for - ie they don't fold often enough for a c-bet to be profitable.

As played on the turn we should probably bet a lot bigger - probably around 70-80c or so.

As played on the river it's a check-fold to any significant bet for me. Any jack, slowplayed two pair/set, flush, straight now has you beat.
 
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Thanks Chuck. I totally misplayed this one from the flop. I probably should have checked the flop and folded to any decent bet. I usually try to bet out when I have position, but I shouldn't have with this kind of flop.

*** RIVER *** [9s Jc 8s Ad] [Js]
insolitude: checks
docxx987: bets $0.66
jj_gunn: folds
insolitude: calls $0.66
*** SHOW DOWN ***
docxx987: shows [Ks Qs] (a flush, King high)
insolitude: mucks hand
docxx987 collected $3.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.35 | Rake $0.15
Board [9s Jc 8s Ad Js]
Seat 1: Naaiko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: docxx987 showed [Ks Qs] and won ($3.20) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: jj_gunn (button) folded on the River
Seat 4: pis.joddo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: JohnyMasters (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: garrymdp folded before Flop
Seat 7: ssalmosa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: insolitude mucked [Qd As]
Seat 9: Sl0wH8nd folded before Flop (didn't bet)

So I overplayed my A on the turn (probably a safe bet with a poor flop), and I felt I had no choice but to call the river.

If I missed anything, feel free to beat me over the head with it.
 
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I'd like to know why it was an "apparent flush draw". You knew the results, but without results I don't see how this is an apparent flush draw. It could easily be any number of hands, especially at these levels. He could have 22 and saying "I can't fold a pair".
 
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Sorry, that was my thinking when I got 2 callers on the turn.
 
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Sorry, that was my thinking when I got 2 callers on the turn.


But did you actually think this through, or were you just scared by the 2 of a suit and people flat calling? What was your thinking that made you believe you were facing a flush draw? Not saying you were wrong to assume that (and you did end up being right, but that's irrelevent), just curious as to your logic.
 
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Good questions. I interpreted all of the calling (pre-flop, flop, turn) as a pretty good indication that at least one of my callers was drawing to a flush. I suppose IF I was going to re-play this hand past the flop I should have placed a much stronger bet on the turn, no?
 
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