AQ, Top/Top Vs Calling Station

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Hey guys, I've been having trouble against loose passive opponents. I seem to loose massive pots against them when i hold a big hand but they suck out. I would not normally play such a big pot with just one pair but vs a calling station i need to maximize my value bets, right? But where / how do you draw the line of value betting max and not bloating the pot when they have you beat?

Any other tips about facing these kinds of opponeants?

Villain 34/8/0.6

100NL 6MAX

Thanks

UTG ($151.50)
Hero ($119.62)
Button ($114.55)
SB ($64.60)
BB ($93.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A
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, Q
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1 fold, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) A
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, 3
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, J
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(2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) 6
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(2 players)
Hero bets $19, Button calls $19.

River: ($61.50) K
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(2 players)
Hero bets $52, Button calls $114.55 (All-In), Hero calls $32.55.

Final Pot: $260.60

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Qc (one pair, aces).
Button has 3s As (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: Button wins $230.60.
 
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I think the call on the turn should of been a caution sign. No more like a "Death right around the corner sign." 7$ bet on the flop I can see a call with Jacks or a weak Ace. 19$ on the turn, your still betting low and he makes an easy call. Maybe your lower bet was a your mind trying to give you a chance to get out of there.
Your kind of screwed on the river. You either bet big, hope he folds which isn't going to happen or cut your losses and get of there. After the 52$ bet your committed though. Thats that.

Now I'll re read your paragraph and try to tell you what you wanted to know with my scant knowledge on the higher cash games.

VS a Calling Station I can almost understand the frustration that would drive you this seemingly desperate play BUT you have to play the best cards against the Calling Station knowing that no matter what shit they play you'll have em' beat in the end. With Calling Stations, I typically bide my time until a Top 15 Hand then either nail them or sustain minimal losses and wait for the next Top 15 Hand.

The thing that keeps coming to my mind is the call on the turn by the Caller. It kills me that you didn't see a red flag there. After that call I think you might know your beat and play conservative the rest of the hand or get out of there. Once again though, by calling station I assume you mean hes been playing every hand nonstop calling everything. So that makes it very hard to judge when hes got shit or bullshit.

But like I said a page ago, with these kind you have to play Top 15 and bust em' with the best.
 
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On the river, the only hand he can really call you with that you beat is AT. If you think he's bad enough to look you up with less, then go for it. But betting the river here is a pretty thin value bet IMO.

But if this guy is one of those stations that has been calling with with pocket tens on this board, then you can go ahead and fire the third bullet.
 
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i'd make the river bet smaller so a) you can fold to a push and b) you're more likely to get called by worse. the guy is a loose passive as indicated by his 34/8/0.6. if he raises your river bet after calling flop and turn, it's pretty obvious you're beat. even as played a fold on the river is probably best, but you did kind of pot commit yourself fairly hard.

you could make it as much as $35 and have a pretty easy fold on the river when he comes over the top

The thing that keeps coming to my mind is the call on the turn by the Caller. It kills me that you didn't see a red flag there.

a calling station calling twice is not a red flag. that's what makes them a calling station. your thinking is overly scared/results oriented imo
 
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Greats insights guys, PokerProBet rasied a good point; although them calling a raise on the turn isn't necessarily a rad fag, but if they HAPPILY call a BIG bet on the turn then you should act more precariously on the river.

I say bring on the calling stations!
 
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Vs. this kind of opponent the hand is standard. You played it fine, nothing much you can do there. The river shove means you're almost guaranteed to be beat but you can't fold at that point. In fact, you may want to value-shove all-in yourself to maximize value.
 
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I double barrel this all day v calling stations. River I'm inclined to chk/spew call :(.
 
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I double barrel this all day v calling stations. River I'm inclined to chk/spew call :(.

check/call is the worst line you could take here on the river vs. almost anyone, especially a station. i'm curious what you think you're accomplishing by check/calling. there's nothing for him to bluff and several of the hands you beat that might call a bet check behind
 
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this guy's image won him a big pot, not a whole lot you can do about it, i may have check folded the river depending on how much of a true station he was, but many times this works. the river was definitely your spew point in this hand though.

it's kind of like when the bulldozing maniac finally has a hand that he's cbetting with when you decide to call him, the reverse happened here. i'd just call it a cooler and move on.
 
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If a calling station raises you especially after calling two streets its almost likely that he has you beat.

TPTK being called on the turn should say something to you. It could mean he is also on a draw as well. If he raises the turn here you have to fold this hand.

You seem committed here to having to call the river raise. I like a check/call better than a bet/call here on the river because you are only beating a bluff here.
 
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for the last time, check/calling here is absolutely awful...
 
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for the last time, check/calling here is absolutely awful...

Agreed, and op could you not post results, even if they're in white? Of course if they see the results they're gonna say be more passive, but if the white said that he flipped over KQ everyone would have said "great job maximizing value against a calling station". Save results for after analysis is done, not after people are done reading the OP.
 
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I like everything that combu has said in this thread and I support it fully.
 
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I mean its hard to lay that down
I would have done the same thing you did.
 
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On the river, the only hand he can really call you with that you beat is AT. If you think he's bad enough to look you up with less, then go for it. But betting the river here is a pretty thin value bet IMO.

But if this guy is one of those stations that has been calling with with pocket tens on this board, then you can go ahead and fire the third bullet.

If the worst hand he can have here is AT, then no one has any business labeling him a calling station. Passive yes, but not a calling station. I'd expect a calling station to have any ace plus a couple weaker hands such as KQ, KJ, and QJ. I think a river bet is pretty standard against this kind of player.
 
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