Anything I could have done different?

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So tonight I think was my worst poker night yet. I have had my monsters and high pairs cracked before but never so many in one session.

First were my pocket 10. Then my JJ, then QQ, and then KK. Only missing cracked aces tonight.

I am posting this in because I am trying to figure out what I did wrong if anything especially on the monster hands kk and qq.

Correct me if I am wrong but should have just folded after the flop no matter how tempting the two pair was for me?

:10d4: :10c4:
Winning Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) -

CO ($2.61)
Button ($4.64)
SB ($2.40)
BB ($5.08)
Hero (UTG) ($4.83)
MP ($5.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with :10d4: :10c4:
Hero raises $0.20, 3 folds, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.60) :kh4: :5d4: :5h4: (3 players)
SB bets $0.28, 1 fold, Hero raises $0.56, SB raises $0.56, Hero raises $0.56, SB raises $0.56, Hero raises $0.56, SB calls $0.80 (All-In), Hero calls $0.52

Turn: ($5) :8h4: (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($5) :kc4: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5 | Rake: $0.17

SB (Villian): Shows :6c4: :5c4:
Villian Wins with Fulls 5/k

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Higher bet either preflop or flop to push out the SB?
:jh4: :jc4:

Winning Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed)

MP ($2.08)
CO ($5.22)
Button ($3.08)
Hero (SB) ($1.16)
BB ($2.65)
UTG ($1.11)

Preflop: Hero is SB with :jh4: , :jc4:
2 folds, CO raises $0.05, Button raises $0.20, Hero calls $0.19, BB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.65) :3s4:, :9h4:, :qc4: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.65) :6s4: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.31, BB calls $0.31, Button calls $0.31

River: ($1.58) :10c4: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $0.52, Hero raises to $0.65 (All-In), 1 fold, Button calls $0.13

Total pot: $2.88 | Rake: $0.10

Results:
Button had :8h4:, :7h4: (straight, ten high).
Hero had :jh4:, :jc4: (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Button won $2.74
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:qd4: :qh4:
Not sure if there is anything I could have done different maybe a higher bet preflop/flop?

Winning Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed)

MP ($3.13)
Button ($2.69)
Hero (SB) ($0.57)
BB ($2.10)
UTG ($1.12)

Preflop: Hero is SB with :qd4: :qh4:
1 fold, MP raises $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises $0.11, BB calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.29) :9h4: :ad4: :ks4: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, BB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.57) :9s4: (2 players)
Hero raises to $0.31 (All-In), BB calls $0.31

River: ($1.19) :7h4: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.19 | Rake: $0.05

Results:
Hero had :qd4: :qh4: (two pair, Queens and nines).
BB had :jh4: :kh4: (two pair, Kings and nines).
Outcome: BB won $1.14

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Same as my Q. Not really sure what I could have done differently.

:ks4: :kd4:

Winning Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed)

SB ($3.13)
BB ($4.26)
Hero (UTG) ($2.46)
MP ($3.06)
Button ($2.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with :ks4: :kd4:
Hero raises $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.23) :2s4: :jh4: :2c4: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, MP calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.67) :ac4: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.64, MP calls $0.64

River: ($1.95) :10c4: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP raises to $2.10 (All-In), Hero calls $1.50 (All-In)

Total pot: $4.95 | Rake: $0.16

Results:
Hero had :ks4: :kd4: (two pair, Kings and twos).
MP had :2h4: :as4: (full house, twos over Aces).
Outcome: MP won $4.71
 
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QQ hand, so short stack and from SB. Just go all in
JJ hand, all in preflop as well since you will be OOP. Who cares you don't even have 60BBs. If you play OOP in a multiway pot, you are in a tough spot. Unless you have discipline to fold after the flop just ship it preflop.

TT hand, you just went crazy with a mediocre hand. Once you get 3 bet on the flop, just fold it.

KK hand, once the A hits, just slow down. In any case, if you want, you could maybe throw out a 1/2 pot bet on the river then fold if you get raised. Check calling all in is just frustration and not reading the situation.

You gotta read the board texture. Either go all in while you are likely ahead, or just fold.
 
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In general, when the other guy is either betting big or calling big post flop - he has big. In those cases one pair (no matter how nice it looked pre-flop) is always at risk. Paired boards, boards with A or K over-cards (ESPECIALLY Aces), or boards with 2 suited cards should be setting off alarm bells.
 
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Man ,what a bad luck day yours!Bad beats exists for everybody.Welcome to the Bad Beat Club.
 
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I don't know what is the maximum amount allowed at the table on that site but you should top up your stack to have more room to manouver. JJ and QQ hands you should just shove preflop since you are so short.
Check turn with KK you can't beat anything
 
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10 10 - As Hero and Villain were going crazy raising/re-raising did Hero take a moment to consider what Villain had or was Hero focused on the pocket 10 only. That is sometimes we are blind to the Villain range when we only focus on the strength of Hero hand.

JJ - Why not shove pre-flop? Hero is short-stacked and out of position post-flop. How is Hero going to play when an over hits the board?

QQ - Again, like the JJ, Hero is short-stacked and out of position. Why not shove pre-flop? Post-flop Hero just played bad, there are only 2 cards to improve Hero's hand. I think check with the AK on the board to see if a free-card can come. Betting the flop/turn what is Hero hoping to get to fold? Does Hero really think he is ahead in that spot?

KK - Hero made a bad call on the river. Did Hero stop to question what Villain was calling with on the turn? Does Villain have any Ax in his range? Why not lay down on the river to the strong bet?

A tough session. Learn from it and play even better next time! I like the other CardsChat members suggestion of topping up your stack.
 
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I don't know what is the maximum amount allowed at the table on that site but you should top up your stack to have more room to manouver. JJ and QQ hands you should just shove preflop since you are so short.
Check turn with KK you can't beat anything

10 10 - As Hero and Villain were going crazy raising/re-raising did Hero take a moment to consider what Villain had or was Hero focused on the pocket 10 only. That is sometimes we are blind to the Villain range when we only focus on the strength of Hero hand.

JJ - Why not shove pre-flop? Hero is short-stacked and out of position post-flop. How is Hero going to play when an over hits the board?

QQ - Again, like the JJ, Hero is short-stacked and out of position. Why not shove pre-flop? Post-flop Hero just played bad, there are only 2 cards to improve Hero's hand. I think check with the AK on the board to see if a free-card can come. Betting the flop/turn what is Hero hoping to get to fold? Does Hero really think he is ahead in that spot?

KK - Hero made a bad call on the river. Did Hero stop to question what Villain was calling with on the turn? Does Villain have any Ax in his range? Why not lay down on the river to the strong bet?

A tough session. Learn from it and play even better next time! I like the other CardsChat members suggestion of topping up your stack.


All spot on tips here.


I'll add that if you had topped off and been playing with a real stack (not a short stack) you should be able to get away from most of these hands with a better understanding of pot control.
 
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The villian with the 10 was because he was our open raiser. His vpip was in the 80% range and his pfr was high so I was expecting it.

Hos previous hand was all in preflop against someone else and he had 72o which kind of surprised me. The the flop was 722. So yea I was expecting the raises and should have just shoved or folded.


As for the KK I did see the 22 however i didnt think it was in his range.


Yes I topped off. I dont think i did before kk though.
 
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I want to say thank you. I believe that night was a learning experience because tonight was a different story. Got AA and 10 10 and lived (won the pots).
 
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Yesterday, too, was offensive after I caught a pocket pair of AA .. I played in a microlit tournament stack was 11000 + $ and I fell a pair of AA in the end I went all-in but my bet immediately leveled 9-10 with a stack of $ 40000 in total I'll fight on the flop dude came straight ... It was a shame =)
 
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TT

The raise size UTG is too big unless we’re targeting a fish with value hands? If so great work!

On the flop we beat nothing. Are we 2betting the donk for value or as a bluff?

For value we need worse hands to call, is 99 calling here? If a bluff then better to hands to fold, is he folding a K?

The third reason to bet is for protection but this board is dry and there are only 3 overcards above our hand. So not an issue.

If V is a high donk % fish then the 2bet isn’t terrible in a vacuum but our hand is a bluff catcher on this board, bloating the pot isn’t ideal. A call is best. Or even a fold depending on villain. Once the min raise comes in we can exploit fold and not feel bad. Min raises are 99% nutted.

If we really feel that V is full of shit and wanna raise then raise bigger and find out, don’t get into the min raise game on a board where any value hand kills you. Note to hero. Never do this again!

JJ

Better to 4B from sb. Are we calling to set mine vs a 3bet range. It’s s btn 3bet so could be wider than normal. If we call to hit a set or at least an overpair we need to know bb and the original raiser aren’t going to raise and then stay disciplined and fold on bad boards. Top up to 100bb’s. A calling range from sb here isn’t great though. A linear 3B range of 99+ AQ for value seems ok and KQs, AJ as bet/folds if we think V can be at it a significant number of times.

QQ

Top up. The 3B isn’t big enough. At least 3x it. But given our stack we can shove, try and get called by AJ type hands.

As played the flop spr is 1.5 so it’s an auto stack of on favourable boards. This isn’t one though.

Why are we betting this board? Protection? No. There’s not a lot to worry about if we’re ahead, we block the gutshot outs.

For value? No. With the A and K out what worse can call?

To bluff? No. We have no stack, villains reverse implied odds are cut. He can call down pretty liberally here. Also we’re at a stake where bluffing is a tiny part of a winning game.

KK

Again the sizing is bad unless we have a mark in the game. In which case wp.

The flop bet size is great. This board favours us massively, but it’s dry so our bet size really forces out any air from villains range. Doesn’t matter we’re after value! Wp.

The turn sucks. The reason our size on the flop is great is the same reason this bets bad. Unless we have player tells that villain is very loose. We really warp villains range to value now. When this ace hits either check or bet less. 35-50% pot. Fold to a raise without reads.

On the river we need around 30% to break even. Villain doesn’t value bet worse than KK, has no to very little air, and has ways of having the best hand. Unless we have very reliable specific reads we should fold. Frustrating game sometimes!
 
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