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50NL 6MAX Table

Player 1 - Button ($20)
Player 2- BB ($45)

Delt to player 1 (7-7)
Delt to player 2 (A-A)

Action folds around to Player 1(Button) who raises $1 to make it $1.50
SB Folds
Player 2(BB) raises $1 to make it $2.50
Player 1 calls

Flop : 5-2-2

Player 2 (BB)Checks
Player 1(Button) Bets $5
Player 2 reraises all-in
Player 1 Calls

Turn : K
River: 2

Player 2(BB) Collects pot.



Analyze both players play, what do you think of either player? Bad or Good by both players?
 
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It might look like a steal attempt to player 1 at first but after the reraise on flop he should of been able to fold this, and player 2 made it really obvious I think he should of just bet out (guess it worked out for him in this example)
 
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Player 2 needs to do more than a min raise here. I realize he wants people to "stick around" but his 3bet should be to about $4.50.

I don't really like the check-raise on the flop after Player 2 min raised preflop either.

Player 1 was a shorty so his play can't be faulted. He calls with a pair and gets all-in (only 40 bbs) on a flop with no overs. Standard.
 
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Player 1 was shortstacked to begin with, which makes me think that maybe he is playing that way for situations like this. Alot of shortstackers will call hands they arent sure of, with hope of getting lucky. If he wasnt shortstacked to begin with and just lost the rest, then he probably just isnt very good. The only thing that I can think, is he put player 2 on something like A5. I really see nothing wrong with player 2. He checked raised, hoping that the guy didnt have a 2. Then again player 1 was on the button so you never know.

Edit: ^^^ what WV said.
 
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both should buy in for the max
 
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The shortstacked concept here is less important in a ring game. It is more important as a tourney strategy. Neither player played this wrong. Tho player 1 might have played it less right than player 2.

For some reason player 1 discounted or totally ignored the possibility of an overpair. His bad, and he paid dearly for it. While the 77 initially looked very nice, especially with no overs on the board, his call of the shove was uncalled for. The betting did not suggest an overpair until that shove by player 2. It could also have suggested the quads, but that part would not jive with the initial betting. It should have suggested that player 2 had hit something, perhaps the 555-22 boat, or the set of 2's. Equally likely would be a steal, so 50% of the time player 1 sees, and probably beats the steal, and the other 50% he's in decent shape.

I think Player 2 played this great, and sucked player 1 into his trap brilliantly.
 
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imo these were both absolutely horrible, so I'm gonna be a bit harsh here. I'll type in bold, because I like to feel important :)

50NL 6MAX Table

Player 1 - Button ($20)
Player 2- BB ($45)

Player 1 should reload before hand

Delt to player 1 (7-7)
Delt to player 2 (A-A)

Action folds around to Player 1(Button) who raises $1 to make it $1.50
SB Folds

Fine, can't just flat call for set value, 77 is ahead of an unknown range.


Player 2(BB) raises $1 to make it $2.50

A minraise? This is just plain horrible with a hand like AA.


Player 1 calls

Well it's a dollar into a $4 pot, implied odds give 22:1 if we can stack him everytime we set. Even though we may be behind his range, this minraise gave us odds just to call for set value. This is why the minraise is so horrible.

Flop : 5-2-2

Suits please? If the 5 shares a suit with a 2 this changes whether AKs makes up a part of his range.

Player 2 (BB)Checks
Player 1(Button) Bets $5

Fine, we're expecting to take it down here, although we could even get a flat call from an AK still thinking it's ahead.

Player 2 reraises all-in

Fine, we're shortstacked, we want to get value from other high pockets, and a high card could kill our action, just push now, this is fine.

Player 1 Calls

????????? What are we putting him on? Just a 5? Like I said, if this flop has 2 of one suit it's more likely that he has something like AKs, but even that shouldn't push us to call, because we're actually behind it anyway. We'd have odds to call it, but it doesn't make up enough of the range to tilt the bad odds we get from overpairs towards a call. Easy fold imo.

Turn : K
River: 2

Player 2(BB) Collects pot.

irrelevant to analysis, results don't matter once money is in.

Analyze both players play, what do you think of either player? Bad or Good by both players?

Bad from both. AA should not minraise preflop. I don't mind the postflop play from AA but the 77 should be an easy fold in that situation. What do you honestly beat that plays like that? You bet pot on the flop, and villain raised. Apart from 66 nothing at all takes this line that 77 has beat.
 
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Equally likely would be a steal, so 50% of the time player 1 sees, and probably beats the steal, and the other 50% he's in decent shape.



umm, WHAT???

Sorry, but this is not a steal 50% of the time. And even steals have significant outs on us, we're looking at most likely 6 outs twice, so around 1/4 of the time they suck out, and do you honestly see overcards stacking this flop after the pot cbet on the flop? And the times it's not a steal he is NOT in "decent shape". He's got 2 outs twice. I don't see how you can even close to justify this play with 77.
 
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