Am I a spew tard or what?

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Ok guys I am losing too much money in places like this trying to get crafty. I have JJ on the button at six handed 25NLHE. I raise on the button to 65c. Small blind raises me to 2.25 dollars. I decide to flat call. The flop hits A47 rainbow. He raises 3 dollars, I re raise to 10 dollars to try to get him off what I thought was QQ/KK. He shoved me and I folded. Should I not try to get crafty in this situation? Because originally when he raised I thought he was just trying to isolate what he thought was a button steal on my part, and maybe he had JQ/JK etc. since I had been raising the button often. A lot of the time though, representing the ace with a large re raise has worked for me and I feel like its a powerful weapon if utilized properly. Any thoughts anyone?
 
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Q. Why would you ever raise an ace there?

A. You wouldn't

If you can't tell a believable story then there is no point bluffing. Not saying that the move is bad however, a float + turn steal is much more likely to have success.
 
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Well, if you have a lot of hands and see that you are consistently losing in these spots, then there's your answer. It's definitely opponent dependent though, we would need reads/stats on the opponent to decide if it's a good move or not.
 
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Q. Why would you ever raise an ace there?

A. You wouldn't

If you can't tell a believable story then there is no point bluffing. Not saying that the move is bad however, a float + turn steal is much more likely to have success.

Maybe the float steal option would work, but he's not going to check the turn to me unless he has the goods, because he has been clearly representing AK/AQ type hands throughout this hand and if he checks to me that would mean he's either quitting on the pot or slow playing me. I think I found the answer myself that I just have to suck it up and fold to his flop bet. It will save me money, also sometimes the simplest solution is also the best.
 
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Your turning a hand with absolutely no equity if called into a bluff, if you want to represent something in a 3bet pot try to have something to fall back on ie gutshot and not two outs like you do in this instance.
 
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You had a draw, call the obvious c-bet and see what comes and what he does on the turn.
 
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Assuming both are 100bb deep; raise/call on the btn is fine. Raising this sort of flop is horrible, even vs the most loose players. It's the perfect board for someone to CBET and you should be aware that nearly all players will cbet here so you should already have a plan. I mean, your plan was to raise which tbh is the worse one because all you achieve by raising is him folding hands you BEAT and getting called/raised by hands that beat you. Folding is much better than raising this flop. Now, I think knowing something about the villain will dictate how this hand will play out, so what info do you have on villain?

Personally, depending on the player..I'd of at least called one street with position and evaluated the turn.

Also; if your thought he was raising you light because you had the button, then why not 4bet him? Even in position, JJ isn't the best hand to flat call, because all his blocker hands Ax/Kx/Qx all have a fair bit of equity post flop. If I think someone is 3betting wide from the blinds and I have JJ, I'm always 4betting for value here.
 
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Assuming both are 100bb deep; raise/call on the btn is fine. Raising this sort of flop is horrible, even vs the most loose players. It's the perfect board for someone to CBET and you should be aware that nearly all players will cbet here so you should already have a plan. I mean, your plan was to raise which tbh is the worse one because all you achieve by raising is him folding hands you BEAT and getting called/raised by hands that beat you. Folding is much better than raising this flop. Now, I think knowing something about the villain will dictate how this hand will play out, so what info do you have on villain?

Personally, depending on the player..I'd of at least called one street with position and evaluated the turn.

Also; if your thought he was raising you light because you had the button, then why not 4bet him? Even in position, JJ isn't the best hand to flat call, because all his blocker hands Ax/Kx/Qx all have a fair bit of equity post flop. If I think someone is 3betting wide from the blinds and I have JJ, I'm always 4betting for value here.

Ok villain appears to be a solid reg. he has been re raising a lot preflop and others at the table have been folding to his re raises. In this spot I didn't really feel comfortable 4 betting because he had a really wide range. I decided to flat and re evaluate on the flop. He standard Cbet, and I decided I was going to represent AQ/AJ. This has always been my problem, trying to get to crafty in spots where it's unnecessary. I will from now on fold this flop. This discussion fixed what is probably my biggest known leak in my game. Thanks for all the help guys :)
 
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