AK vs reraise and call FR 25NL

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bw07507

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I just lost a pot and didnt get to rebuy yet. 25 hands in.

The 3-better is 41/13/4 and has reraised me a miniature amount like this the last 2 times i raised a pot.

The flat caller just sat down a few hands ago.

I have been 12/9/infinity.

pokerstars GAME #15889169937: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/03/10 - 19:48:41 (ET)
Table 'Genoveva IV' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: gabi33 ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Jwasby ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 3: WALLEYE 99 ($13.30 in chips)
Seat 4: fabolous86 ($5.65 in chips)
Seat 5: bw07507 ($15 in chips)
Seat 6: manoleterio ($15.20 in chips)
Seat 7: vincenzo01 ($27 in chips)
Seat 8: Kitcher2 ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Virus3232 ($23.95 in chips)
Virus3232: posts small blind $0.10
gabi33: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bw07507 [As Kc]
Jwasby: folds
WALLEYE 99: folds
fabolous86: folds
bw07507: raises $0.75 to $1
manoleterio: raises $0.75 to $1.75
vincenzo01: calls $1.75
Kitcher2: folds
Virus3232: folds
gabi33: folds
bw07507: ?
 
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Well i have a been self critical of my pre flop play when it comes to 3 or 4 betting. I have tended to be too weak in that aspect. So im just as interested as you to see what other players would do.

Even though im not very good at this aspect of the game, i feel a flat call is the best option here, since i dont think we want to be bloating the pot too much out of position with a drawing hand. I think it is a better option to take a look at the flop and re evaluate.

If someone says to 4 bet, please please please give a reason since this is one area of my game that needs improving
 
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vs a chronic 3-bettor, especially the min-3-bettors, I'm always getting as much money in with AK as I can. We're a little too deep to shove, so I'll 4-bet to like $6 and shove most flops.

The 4-betting is simply because we have great equity against his range. The cold caller adds a little complication, but he most likely doesn't have a monster, and we can isolate vs the fish most of the time by 4-betting.
 
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The 4-betting is simply because we have great equity against his range. The cold caller adds a little complication, but he most likely doesn't have a monster, and we can isolate vs the fish most of the time by 4-betting.

Oh ok i understand a bit better now, but does being out of position affect our decision at times? if not this time but in different 4 betting scenarios
 
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Well that's one of the reasons we'd rather get the money AI preflop rather than play a pot out postflop OOP. Position comes into account when you've got chips behind you and streets to play - we know villain is 3-betting with a wide range here, so we know our equity is good, and we don't want to have him push us off what is most probably the best hand, so we get it in now.
 
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Chuck says it best.

On top of which in this situation the others may see us as being slightly on tilt having just lost a hand, so they may see aggression (including our original raise) on our part as frustration rather than a good hand. In other words AK may be well ahead of the range they think we have and be willing to call/raise us with lesser hands than otherwise.
 
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Well that's one of the reasons we'd rather get the money AI preflop rather than play a pot out postflop OOP. Position comes into account when you've got chips behind you and streets to play - we know villain is 3-betting with a wide range here, so we know our equity is good, and we don't want to have him push us off what is most probably the best hand, so we get it in now.

rightio, i am beginning to understand much better now cheers. In the above hand, say we raise to $6 and the 2 villains flat call. We are left with $9 behind in what will be about an $18 pot and will be acting first. Do we shove this on a majority of raggy flops? And check on 8,9,j type flops?


Sorry for thread hijack
 
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rightio, i am beginning to understand much better now cheers. In the above hand, say we raise to $6 and the 2 villains flat call. We are left with $9 behind in what will be about an $18 pot and will be acting first. Do we shove this on a majority of raggy flops? And check on 8,9,j type flops?

Sorry for thread hijack

If BOTH call it's a nasty situation. I'm not exactly sure what we'd do - we would have to do some EV calculations factoring in our fold equity and their ranges to figure out if pushing would be better EV than check-folding.

HU we're shoving most flops except for those nasty 789s ones etc. Two-way in general we should be less inclined to shove since we're more likely to either be up against a hand that beats us, and they're more likely to call with those hands.

The stack sizes are awkward. When 3-betting leaves us with this little behind we should usually shove, but considering we can often push out the cold caller, I like the raise to $6 since it'll leave us with $9 and a $14.10 pot so we still have good FE postflop.
 
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Also what do we do in the face of an an all in 5 bet? Do we still like our a,k then since we have been playing as you said to get it all in pre flop and by calling a 5 bet push ,we would have accomplished that. Even though the stack sizes are smaller above so we are committed to call, in the face of deeper stacks, say 70bb's, what do we do to a 5 bet push, which is what we wanted
 
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