AK vs a LAG

guy has shown some maniacal tendencies- i feel this is 2 paint possibly suited/pp/any a/x

pokerstars Game #9222736480: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/04/02 - 21:34:57 (ET)
Table 'Cogshall' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: matthi1979 ($2.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Brasil2007 ($27.40 in chips)
Seat 3: cookie024 ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 4: LEgone ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 6: joosebucklol ($35.50 in chips)
Seat 7: rickifitz ($18.40 in chips)
Seat 8: doorman2 ($18.95 in chips)
Seat 9: nun3sss ($32.15 in chips)
LEgone: posts small blind $0.10
pzlm73: is sitting out
joosebucklol: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joosebucklol [Kd Ah]
pzlm73 has returned
rickifitz: folds
doorman2: calls $0.25
nun3sss: folds
matthi1979: folds
Brasil2007: raises $0.50 to $0.75
cookie024: folds
LEgone: folds
joosebucklol:

Well, out of position in Big Blind, I'd probably smooth call and play it slow to disguise my hand. If I get a great flop, I'd still let the other guy bet for me. If I miss the flop completely, get out cheap. If you re-pop it, you're still OOP and the guy could have a big hand or he may just fold if he has junk. Give him some rope at a low cost.

agreed.

joosebucklol: calls $0.50
doorman2: folds
*** FLOP *** [4c 2d Jh]
joosebucklol: bets $1.25
Brasil2007: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [4c 2d Jh] [Kh]
joosebucklol:


k. so i call, and this raggedy flop comes. i bet out as sort of a blocking bet, pretty sure that he has missed & not allowing him to take the first stab at it that might push me off when im still likely ahead at this point.

his cold call tells me he probably doesnt have a jack, and i spike the king (hopefully he does too). my move here?

Check raise

why do we checkraise here vs a possible maniac?

Ok, you can also check-call. But what do you plan to do on the river then if say a 10, queen or an ace hits. I'd rather let him know I think I'm ahead and see what he does with this info. If I were in position I'd be more likely to call a bet than raise.

im not saying raise is wrong at all. im asking why we raise.

Remember the recent thread about 3-betting.

I raise an amount that I know he will call probably $1.25. Hope for a raise but take the call. I think your ahead and this is where I have started to try building pots rather than take them down with a larger bet.

i thought i could keep him betting...

*** TURN *** [4c 2d Jh] [Kh]
joosebucklol: checks
Brasil2007: bets $3.25
joosebucklol: calls $3.25
*** RIVER *** [4c 2d Jh Kh] [Ks]
joosebucklol: checks
Brasil2007: bets $22.15 and is all-in
joosebucklol: calls $22.15
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Brasil2007: shows [As Qc] (a pair of Kings)
joosebucklol: shows [Kd Ah] (three of a kind, Kings)
joosebucklol collected $52.45 from pot
Brasil2007 leaves the table

How do you find these donkeys?

Nicely played, but he practically gave you all his money.

if you play the counter-style to any style, they look like a donkey. that's the point.

if i raise anywhere here - he disappears.

well played joose, put this guy in search and follow him around for awhile and make some coin from this fish.

Looks pretty standard.

I reraise pf to isolate against the maniac though - I don't particularly want to invite the limper into the pot as well.

You should have raise him on 4th street aka:turn

Nice profit he handed it to you on a silver platter, probly wanted to bully you out of the pot and chose a bad time to do it lol. A classic example of people over valuing A-high cards.

alexanderwoo1 said:

You should have raise him on 4th street aka:turn

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does raising the turn get me some bonus money that i missed out on on this hand?

Check/raising on the turn was the proper play, IMO. It wasn't in this case because the guy was a total DONK.

If you're gonna tell me that you knew that then you played it very well. Against a non DONK the proper play is a check/raise, as suggested by Alexander. A simple call and check on the river as you did would normally be a -EV.

joeeagles said:

A simple call and check on the river as you did would normally be a -EV.

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i agree 100%. but i felt that there was a strong chance he would try to shove me out on the river. i will almost always (99% of the time) bet for value here.

reads > *

Back to my question... if a ten comes on the river and he shoves would you have called or folded? You can't just put him on AQ, can you?

Luckily it didn't come since he read this donk extremely well and extracted the maximum from him.

skoldpadda said:

Back to my question... if a ten comes on the river and he shoves would you have called or folded? You can't just put him on AQ, can you?

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If villain gets all my chips if a T comes on the river and I get all of his if anything else comes, I'm happy enough with that.

(Look, I can be results-oriented too! )

His shove is a "plz fold" move obv. If a ten hits and he makes the nuts, he's going to try to get paid off by betting less, which you can call and it won't hurt too much. Plus if he does shove on a KJTxx board, it's not hard to find a fold with just top pair.

First of all, I would have put in a hefty reraise here due to the fact that you are out of position and since he is a maniac, you have very little information about his hand. If he called the reraise, I'd lead at the rag flop and that's more likely to take it down due to the fact that you represented a big hand preflop.

side note: not all brazilians play like that

Great play on river. Nice to trust your read like that.

Couldve ensured a 5$ bet but instead got all his money.