AK, Top Top, Correct Fold?

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Was i right in folding to this river bet?

Absolutely NO reads / stats on villains

100NL 6MAX

CO ($108.70)
Hero ($100)
SB ($308.62)
BB ($54.30)
UTG ($115.08)
MP ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K
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, A
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.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) A
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, Q
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, 3
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(3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, BB calls $12, UTG calls $12.

Turn: ($51.50) 9
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(3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($51.50) 6
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(3 players)
BB calls $53.30 (All-In), UTG calls $37.30, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $142.10

Results in white below:
BB has 3s 7s (one pair, threes).
UTG has Tc As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins $142.10.
 
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Why did you not remove the results before posting?
 
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The results are in white, you don't have to look at them!

Surely people can do their analysis and IF they want to see the results they can?
 
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People don't have to, but people will. And if someone argues for a fold saying that it's unlikely that one guy bluffs and the other guy calls with only one pair, they will likely be shot down by someone who's read the results.

The analysis discussion always - without exception - gets worse when the results are posted. Some people flat out won't analyse a hand with results included. Not including the results is not just a matter of being nice to people who don't want the information before they discuss the hand, it's also a matter of making the hand worth discussing.
 
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You should just about always bet that turn because a lot of bad cards can hit on the river (any diamond, a Jack, a Ten, a Queen).
If UTG check-raises all-in you may fold. The shortstack doesn't really matter.

As played, I'd have to say that it's probably a call. For one thing, you're getting 3:1 odds, so your hand only needs to be good 25% of the time* Also, UTG did not shove over the top of BB's all-in, so he almost certainly does not have a monster.
And BB is a shortstack, he can go all-in with a huge range.

*you may want to take note of the mantra I used when I played NL100: every player (including regs) is a donk until proven otherwise.

EDIT: It looks like your hand history is messed up. BB only bet $37.30 on the river, is this correct? This makes it even more of a call.
 
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I'm guessing you put them on 2 pair or a set because of the huge bet. After the turn there was a possible flush draw, but everyone checked there. Maybe you thought they were trying to trap. It's a tough call, but you probably did the right thing more often than not with AKo under the circumstances.
 
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I'm not thrilled about over-calling this river after you check the turn. I'd probably let it go like you did. But I think TC is right that the turn is a good spot to bet/fold. If UTG shoves on you, or calls and then shoves the river, its pretty easy to run away from.
 
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I'm not thrilled about over-calling this river after you check the turn. I'd probably let it go like you did. But I think TC is right that the turn is a good spot to bet/fold. If UTG shoves on you, or calls and then shoves the river, its pretty easy to run away from.

This ^^

Also, if the river goes bet-fold, or check-bet then it's obv. an insta-call.
 
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it was a gd fold but this happens becouse u didnt bet in the turn, if u bet strong in the turn and someone raises u r behind, but this didnt happen so they can bully in the river... next time dont be afraid of betting the turn and river, is the only way u can get more info.
 
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With the third flush card hitting should i really bet the turn?

If heads up and i had a good read then sure i would continue to value bet but vs. two totally unknown opponents?
 
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With the third flush card hitting should i really bet the turn?

If heads up and i had a good read then sure i would continue to value bet but vs. two totally unknown opponents?
Well, I wouldn't even worry about the shortstack when you have TPTK. You'll just have to felt vs. him no matter what.
But even if you were up against two fullstacked opponents, betting makes a lot of sense: a weaker hand can definitely call you, be it a weaker Ace or a pair and a diamond or something. Note how a small pair + diamond won't call a river bet if no diamond hits, so the time for getting value is on the turn.
Another good thing about betting the turn is that you'll find out whether somebody already has you beat because they will almost definitely check-raise.
 
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