AK suited played wrong 1-2 live?

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In the Big Blind with AK suited. 1-2 NL live , 9 ring

Utg raises to 8$ with 160$ behind
Utg 3 calls 8
Hijack calls 8
Big Blind with AK suited makes it 40$ with 30$ left.
Utg calls 40$
Utg 3 folds
Hijack folds

Flop comes out Jh, 9d, 8s

I go all in with 30$ left and deep stack calls
Turns a 5, Rivers a 4.


Was this stupid,????
 
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Classic. AK vs. pair. Then it depends on luck
 
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Online, alot will think they are pot commited and call, and its all gamblin from there.
 
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With your stack I'm going to shove preflop and live with the results, if the guy is really tight cc isn't the worst thing either.
 
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Just a luck thing, you did what you could to force the action pre-flop, which is what you want to do AK. coin flip is a coin flip.
 
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Why so shortstacked? You might as well have shoved preflop then.
Buy in full for max EV.


As played, just keep your 30$ and check/fold unless you spike an A or K for free.
That's about the worst flop you could ask for.
 
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Why so shortstacked? You might as well have shoved preflop then.
Buy in full for max EV.


As played, just keep your 30$ and check/fold unless you spike an A or K for free.
That's about the worst flop you could ask for.

I think 30$ was disagreeably big raise.
Why just not re-raise 5bb to try steal blinds, and in the describable situation continue betting till opponents made huge re-raise with J on the flop ????
 
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I think 30$ was disagreeably big raise.
Why just not re-raise 5bb to try steal blinds, and in the describable situation continue betting till opponents made huge re-raise with J on the flop ????
This is live, and 3 people are already in the hand. If he's raising any less than 40$ preflop, he's not getting any folds.
But with so little left after that 40$ raise, he should've just shoved preflop.
 
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Just shove preflop. You only have $70 left and there's already been a raise to $8 and 2 callers. Ideally you would top up to $200 though, which would allow you to make a 3bet to about $40 (as you did) and then play from there (this kind of flop is typically just a check-fold with AKs).
 
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You have no fold equity because of your awkward stack size. You are shoving 30 into 84. The pot is now 114 and he only had to call 30 to win 114. Just shy of 4-1 and now any decent draw has better than the correct odds to call.
The reason why pro short stackers sit with 30bb is they 3bet to 10bb if they get called the pot is 20bb and they have 20bb behind spr is 1-1 and if you are playing proper tight short stack you will usually just gii with suitable equity and you give your opponent 3-1. Not 4-1 as you did here.
 
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luck in poker, would write that even though another comes flop? I'm on good luck but poker is not about luck, now you do but what came out the next hand?
 
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I think in this situation and watching the raise in UTG and call the other villains it would be best to call preflop and analyze the flop and you tried to make a semi bluff
 
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With three players already in the pot I would either shove this hand or call preflop, then check shove any A or K that is not on a one suit board or triple royal board. Raising with your stack size is perilous and your raise size is too large.

We raised 4x to $40 with $30 which means we are shoving 100% of flops
on top of that the caller only has to call $30 to win $126 so he only has to win the pot 19% of the time to make money (any two cards would make money here).

Because the caller is UTG and not HJ it's also pretty likely he has a pocket pair or high cards as well.

Instead if we raise 2x to $24 we might get more callers or we might not. Either way we still have $46 left to work with. Assuming one caller we would be shoving our $46 so that our UTG opponent now has to call $46 to win $110. In order to make money our opponent needs to win the pot 30% of the time now.

Now they might fold unpaired hands and gut shot straight draws at this point because they are not profitable. At the very least we are throwing more money at them to call all in. Alternatively we could choose to check fold and still have $46 to go all in with later on.
 
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With your stack I'm going to shove preflop and live with the results, if the guy is really tight cc isn't the worst thing either.

Agree with this as well. definitely committed when the pot is already that big, no point betting 40. plus you have fold equity there as well to pick up the pot for free.
 
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All In Pre Flop

With such a short stack, I would go all in and try to scare the players into folding. If anyone goes in, it is up to the cards from there - just as others say the "Coin-Flip". It can go either way. I personally Hate having AK, for it seems like I get just enough to stay in, but end up loosing about 50% of the time against a pair for it doesn't hit very often. If I do hit - it is all in from there. I have lost many times even recently because I hit and tried to slow play it, but someone gets trips or straight or flush on the river. Get those people out by betting bigger - when you hit or pre-flop if you are feeling it!
 
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Hey Aaron - how ya been?
(And dont call me stupid, :D )

Hey what's up. I been okay. I'm still doing my poker thing. It's been up and down. Some days I do good, other days, I lose all my money on roulette.

You guys are right. I wish I would have just shoved pre flop. With AK suited. Or even better, just call and see the flop. Villain had QQ BTW he won.
 
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I think the most important factor is your stack size. You shouldn't be sitting there short stacking. And if you do decide to play short stacked, just move in preflop.
 
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Another thing that just popped into my brain about this hand is that the likelihood of someone having another ace preflop with 3 people already in the pot in a full ring table is pretty high.

Against 8 opponents the chances of one other player holding an ace preflop is a little over 60%. This gives hands like AK AQ AJ more incentive to just call preflop if there are a lot of players in the hand preflop (your number of outs is more likely to be fewer than head to head).

I wouldn't be surprised if Utg+3 or HJ had folded and Ax suited hand in this scenario.
 
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This is just spew and tilt.

Only should be shoving Ak with air if you think your always getting folds, which this aint the flop to be doing this. People will be connected or have hit in someways.

or the SPR is extremely low under 2.
 
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Once you're called preflop, you don't enough fold equity on the flop and you pot committed yourself to the hand so you have to shove. Wasn't a big fan of any part of how the hand was played. Pre or Post flop.

Due to your stack size, I would have never 3 bet this hand, other than a shove preflop. Based soley on your stack size, I think there were 2 correct ways to play this hand pre-flop.

1. Flat the $8, take a flop. If you hit a A or K, then continue. If you miss, just dump the hand and look for a better spot.
2. Because you're pretty shallow stacked, just jam the AK preflop. You have enough fold equity here, but not on the flop.
 
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