AK pf facing a big raise and a call

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Live at a local poker club, $1-$2 no limit

Original raiser: Loose player (loose raiser as well) with about ~$150
caller: average player, not too loose, not too tight, average af
Emperor: amazing soul-reading card sharking mofo with a (Noticed) tight image and a stack around $180

OR was utg, but these guys weren't considering position

OR: Raises 7.5xbb to $15
C: calls $15
Emperor (AKo): ? call? Squeeze? If so, how much?

4 to act behind, all with average stacks ranging from $60 to $150
 
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Hmm...I personally don't like the 7.5x bet. Have you seen a betting pattern established yet? Because 2 in front have called, I'd say fold...although they might have Ace Queen/Jack and be overbetting it. How much do you have and how much have you put in?
 
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Hmm...I personally don't like the 7.5x bet. Have you seen a betting pattern established yet? Because 2 in front have called, I'd say fold...although they might have Ace Queen/Jack and be overbetting it. How much do you have and how much have you put in?

Yes, forgot my own stack, will be fixed in a moment.

But only one has called, and I've put no money in yet.
 
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If this is on PStars, I can look at your table if you tell me your username
 
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When I say 2 people, I mean one caller and the original bet. I'd advocate folding here, simply because of the 7.5x bet. Large bet...3x or 4x is more up my alley. Even if they have just pocket 7s, that leaves you with 6 basic outs, then the outside straight draw. Of course, I'm going to tell you to fold and they will have Ace/Queen
 
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If this is on Pokerstars, I can look at your table if you tell me your username

Lol I keep forgetting the small details: This is live, happened earlier tonight at the Sunnybrook charity poker club which recently opened up.
 
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Ah, hahah. Live poker that makes a difference. I would've folded if I didn't know much about the player, especially cause 2 were in the pot. What did you do?

Also, do you know how I can access a list of Threads or Boards rather than just clicking on "new posts." I may be versed in poker, but I'm new here.
 
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Ah, hahah. Live poker that makes a difference. I would've folded if I didn't know much about the player, especially cause 2 were in the pot. What did you do?

Also, do you know how I can access a list of Threads or Boards rather than just clicking on "new posts." I may be versed in poker, but I'm new here.

Just go up top and click poker forums there'll be a list, or in the list of new posts on the far right there are links to all the different forums.

I've been playing against these guys for a few hours and they'd never seen me re-raise, and there's enough money in the pot worth stealing, not to mention, if you're going to squeeze, AK is a nice hand to do it with,

however, with the size of this raise discouraging further action, is it worth it to call, since we're just against two players? Or is that even MORE reason to squeeze and steal the possibly dead money?
 
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I like the raise here, I do, especially since these guys seem pretty loose - or at least amateurs trying to act tight. What discourages me are two things:

- 2 Players rather than 1, and 4 after who might call
- 7.5x Bet instead of 3x or 4x (which could be put down to donkishness)

My guess is this guy has Queens/Kings/Aces and is overplaying it because hes an amateur, or AJ/AQ and WAY overplaying it because he's on Tilt. I guess I'd call. What did you do and what happened?
 
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I'll admit that I have only played live in a few places, but a $12-15 bet seems like a standard opening bet(live).

And I honestly wouldn't think anyone has noticed that you haven't re-raised at all since you've been there, I know I haven't. (For everyone else, I was at that table)

I still believe AK is a drawing hand, so I don't think it is worth a re-raise. Probably worth a call, and then see where you are at after the flop...
 
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I'll admit that I have only played live in a few places, but a $12-15 bet seems like a standard opening bet(live).

And I honestly wouldn't think anyone has noticed that you haven't re-raised at all since you've been there, I know I haven't. (For everyone else, I was at that table)

I still believe AK is a drawing hand, so I don't think it is worth a re-raise. Probably worth a call, and then see where you are at after the flop...

Though it may be a more tournament oriented article, you should take a read of this: (I CAN'T FIND AG'S PF AK THREAD)

Like I said, there is essentially no better hand to squeeze with (since any other hand is a worse hand or a hand you probably shouldn't be squeezing with)

And it was actually noticed that I hadn't re-raised because these guys had mentioned it before.

And kesc is right, $12-$15 raises pf were quite standard.

I just want to see if anyone else thinks this is a good place (Chuck, Combu, TB, somebody??) to pull this, and if so, how much do you do it with?
 
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you say the original raiser is loose. if you're sure his UTG raising requirements aren't very tight at all the way you suggest, i'd definitely be 3betting here. you surely can't fold, cause if one of them has AQ or AJ they're stacking off virtually every time an A hits (if they're anything like what i know of live players). same for KQ if a K hits with no A. the worse and spewier they are postflop -- or the more you think you can read them -- the more merit calling can have. but as a standard, with the conditions you described, i'm 3betting to like $60ish

edit: although to be the most practical about it, if i'm you there's a good chance i'm just calling because afaik you're not properly rolled for 1/2 and you might not want to be increasing variance too much. although i still like it if you raised =P
 
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Pretty much what combu just said - our hand has great equity here and don't want to call and fold to a c-bet from a worse hand.

I like a squeeze to around $50-$55. Probably more if we're in the blinds (ie OOP).
 
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Alrighty, maybe one or two more opinions and I'll post the results.
 
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i think folding is the correct option here
 
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Raise to $60 here.

$15 is a standard donk open raise in a live 1-2 game and they're both most likely weaker than you are.
 
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the people who want to fold here are making my mind implode
 
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Pretty much what combu just said - our hand has great equity here and don't want to call and fold to a c-bet from a worse hand.

I like a squeeze to around $50-$55. Probably more if we're in the blinds (ie OOP).
In a live game like this you always want to do slightly more than you would online just for the fact that you'll still get called because most live players really suck.
 
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I might like a call if they were deeper. I'm also more inclined to call the less experienced the players are. I think a lot of inexperienced players still know to fold AQ- versus a reraise, but they don't know not to stack off when they hit top pair.

In this spot, I like a reraise better, but being not properly rolled for $1/$2 myself, I might just call. Against 2+ callers, I'm definitely reraising, though. It's too juicy.
 
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you say the original raiser is loose. if you're sure his UTG raising requirements aren't very tight at all the way you suggest, i'd definitely be 3betting here. you surely can't fold, cause if one of them has AQ or AJ they're stacking off virtually every time an A hits (if they're anything like what i know of live players). same for KQ if a K hits with no A. the worse and spewier they are postflop -- or the more you think you can read them -- the more merit calling can have. but as a standard, with the conditions you described, i'm 3betting to like $60ish

edit: although to be the most practical about it, if i'm you there's a good chance i'm just calling because afaik you're not properly rolled for 1/2 and you might not want to be increasing variance too much. although i still like it if you raised =P

I'm freerolling, as this is a staked cash game :p

Results:

I re-raise to $50, both call
Flop: rag rag rag
Original raiser bets $40 (??)
Caller calls again
I muck annoyingly

fwiw Original raiser had KK, stacks went in on the turn, caller had 66 for a set. Despite the results though I still really like the squeeze and would definitely try it again.
 
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