AK oop vs reg 160bb deep [10nl 6max]

Deltafrost

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Ok looking for overall play of this hand. not sure if i could have extracted more value or not here. basically trying to start thinking on the 2nd level vs the few decent players i find at 10nl.

villain is 19/14/4.2(28%) and probably one of the best 10nl regs ive run into.

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BB ($14.40)
UTG ($3.85)
MP ($12.55)
Hero (CO) ($16.45)
Button ($16.15)
SB ($10.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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, A
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) A
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, 7
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, 3
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.75) K
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($1.55) 7
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, Button calls $0.70

Total pot: $2.95

Thoughts on this one: Guy is a decent reg who isnt calling the flop without an ace (fold to cbet 75%) and the board is dry enough that check/calling isnt a bad option.

after he checks back the flop I dont think he's good enough to check and ace so im putting him on 88-1010, and a 67s+, and a bunch of broadway hands. All of which im ahead of.

the turn is a pretty good card for me, and possibly helping him enough to bet at it. so i check again to induce aggression. he bets and i call because the board still isnt bad for me.

river is about as bad a card for me as possible. 67 just made it, if he picked up a flush on turn he made it, so is the bet too thin here?


also to note, this guy and i have some history. 3betting light and some big bvb battles but his biggest leak is his aggression when you show weakness.
 
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I'm pretty certain I r/r the turn here. We have under-repped our hand enough for him to probably call with any A, K or back door fl/dr's. As played at least pot the river, to extract some value.
 
blankoblanco

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i bet turn like always. you said the K may "[help] him enough to bet it" but KQ/KJ will check back a ton for pot control but will pretty much always call a bet. a hand as strong as AJ could even possibly check, but again will always call a bet. and by betting yourself, you get to choose the size, instead of letting him do that dinky 40 cent tester thing. the only real merit to checking imo could be maybe to go for a c/r and confuse him, but on this sort of board i doubt he'll think you're full of it, so i wouldn't go for that line. however once you DO actually check and he bets, i think raising is better than calling and leading weak, even though it looks stronger

but i def lead for .60 on turn
 
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maybe on the flop you could have tossed out a minimum bet to see if you could bait him and then he might have bet more on the turn.
 
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I don't like a min-bet on the flop, nor do I like checking it either. If you want to get more value out of this type of hand, I c/bet the flop...giving free cards at 10nl is baaaaad imo.
 
blankoblanco

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checking flop is fine if not standard, it's super dry and we're not really scared of any turn cards, there aren't too many hands we can get 3 streets of value from. bet sometimes, check sometimes, depends on opponent's range and tendencies. not only can checking get more value from pocket pairs, but it protects the times you check with KK/QQ (not that that's incredibly important at 10NL, but still a solid concept to know)
 
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the turn is a pretty good card for me, and possibly helping him enough to bet at it. so i check again to induce aggression. he bets and i call because the board still isnt bad for me.

river is about as bad a card for me as possible. 67 just made it, if he picked up a flush on turn he made it, so is the bet too thin here?

also to note, this guy and i have some history. 3betting light and some big bvb battles but his biggest leak is his aggression when you show weakness.

These paragraphs illustrate a pretty common leak imo. Checking the dry flop is perfectly fine, but checking again on the turn is uber bad, especially when, as you said, it's a great card for you. You compound that by then betting what is, as you said, about the worst possible card on the river. Bet close to pot on the turn and c/c or b/f the river. Not betting until you could be behind is really bad.
 
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baudib, i think you're being kind of paranoid. river card is honestly not that bad. he's 19/14 so there are very few 7s in his range. a flush is not all that likely, plus we have the As and the Ks is on board, so again, pretty few combinations of suited connecting hands in his range to even worry about.

river is definitely a bet whether we lead turn or not. we want to get value out of his Ax and Kx hands. c/c honestly doesn't make sense because there's no missed draw for him to bluff, and it's so much better to bet ourselves if we're going call anyway, so he doesnt get to check behind weak aces and Kx. i wouldn't make it a very large bet though. and yeah it's an easy fold to a raise
 
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It's still a very common, huge leak to not raise until we could be beaten. We're destroying villain's range on the turn and our check on the flop means he can call with a lot worse. We're still good here like 80%+ but we essentially gave free cards/extracted no value on two streets.
 
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What's your c-bet percentage? Personally, I c-bet a lot on dry flops, so it would be comical to see me check there. If he's a good regular as you say, he might pick up on that.

EDIT: By comical, I mean he'd put me on a monster.
 
blankoblanco

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What's your c-bet percentage? Personally, I c-bet a lot on dry flops, so it would be comical to see me check there. If he's a good regular as you say, he might pick up on that.

EDIT: By comical, I mean he'd put me on a monster.

so then

step 1: check with air
step 2: bet turn
step 3: profit!

delayed c-bet ftw
 
Deltafrost

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villain had 1010

the turn was really the only place i really doubted my play. Ill keep that in mind next time.

I guess i get too paranoid when im playing deep because i've been so spewy in the past.

baudib i agree with your turn comment but I had plans of bet/folding this river vs said villain. he's calling with alot we beat, but only reraising complete bluffs and hands that beat us. so pretty clear bet/fold to me.

oh and viking: I check this because the flop is ultradry so he's really not continuing without an A. so giving him a free card lets me get value from kx hands that hit on the turn. Its more for balancing when opponents are observant and you dont need to use it at the lower levels, i just did it for a specific villain.
 
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