AK facing lots of action on the flop

BelgoSuisse

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Scr33n Nam3 is 35/24/inf, DKahanamoku is 43/13/3, both over 37 hands.

full tilt poker Game #6599766112: Table Crystal View - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:12:01 ET - 2008/05/28
Seat 1: BelgoSuisse ($45.65)
Seat 2: Scr33n Nam3 ($26.75)
Seat 3: abstractprodj ($33.30)
Seat 4: zoitkiller ($25.35)
Seat 5: pokermann45 ($46.95)
Seat 6: danielh42583 ($23.50)
Seat 7: DKahanamoku ($2.15)
Seat 8: AlBrosso ($25)
Seat 9: DuckMySoup ($25.35)
zoitkiller posts the small blind of $0.10
pokermann45 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BelgoSuisse [Kd Ad]
danielh42583 folds
DKahanamoku calls $0.25
AlBrosso folds
DuckMySoup folds
BelgoSuisse raises to $1.10
Scr33n Nam3 calls $1.10
abstractprodj folds
zoitkiller folds
pokermann45 folds
DKahanamoku calls $0.85
*** FLOP *** [Jc 2h Ks]
DKahanamoku bets $0.25
BelgoSuisse calls $0.25
Scr33n Nam3 raises to $3
DKahanamoku calls $0.80, and is all in
BelgoSuisse raises to $13.70
Scr33n Nam3 raises to $25.65, and is all in
 
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Ugh. Just ugh.

I think you've pretty much committed yourself. I bet you're usually crushed here, but this guy seems aggressive enough to make AK, KQ, and QT likely enough to make it a call. It's hard to ever come up with a reason to fold with a legit hand facing 3:1 pot odds on the flop.

What was the reason for just calling on the flop? Would you have checked behind him if he checked?
 
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Rule out AA or KK since you hold AK.

Rule out DK...he is a bad player to begin with, calling off half his stack to see a flop then betting .25 into a pot of $3.65. He has no idea what he is doing and his stack can't really hurt you anyway. Even if he called the $1.10 with JJ he is an idiot for not pushing with his baby stack.

But as pointed out by Viking..what are you doing just calling the flop bet? And then why do you go nuts re-raising to $13.70 after villain raises to $3? I don't understand your thought process on either decision.

I think your dead here. Villain has KJ or got lucky with a set of 2's. I don't see KQ or QT, maybe AK. QT first has to call a huge pre-flop raise, not very likely, then make a $3 semi-bluff instead of just calling an easy .25 with great odds, then has to re-raise a $13.70 bet all-in and pray you were not slowplaying a set or two pair. QT would know you are the initial raiser and the reraise to $13.70 has him crushed. The call .25 and then reraise indicates you REALLY like your hand. And he can't really put you on raising preflop with QT so he can't put you on a semi-bluff. So I'm voting no on the QT.

I'm not at home to run the fancy computer program, but my range of hands that villain has here is pretty small. AK, KJ, JJ, 22. I don't know if given what is in the pot if a call given that range would be correct?

Just for fun I am going to put DK on JQ and Scr on 22 :)

My one disclaimer is you may have very well thrown off Scr when you simply called the .25 postflop. Scr may have KT and think he is golden because he doesn't think anyone with AK would simply call a .25 post flop bet.
 
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Just wondering, why did you raise to $13.70 on a dry board in a multiway pot? These guys have huge aggression factors. If they're bluffing, let 'em keep bluffing it out. By shoving, you get them to quit rampaging around (usually)
 
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You definately got to raise that guys min bet on the flop. If your the preflop raiser and someone donks into you for the min, treat that as a check. I probably raise this up to about 2.50 to 3 or so. Then if you get reraised by the screen name guy, He's going to have to invest a lot of chips to put a play on you, knowing that you have shown a lot of strength in the first place, he will probably play in a more straightforward manner with the pot escalating, so I think this would be a fold in most cases unless you have some kind of read that he stacks off light. I'm thinking that the only hand he can raise here that you probably beat is either a bluff or KQ.
 
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Yeah, I played this bad. I call and Scr33n Nam3 shows 22 for a set.

I called the minbet on the flop because I figured the super aggro on my left would raise any two cards faced with weakness from a minbet and a call, and that I would get more value with a call/raise than with a straightforward bet. Obviously once he shoves my raise, it didn't look like a good idea anymore.
 
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This is quite simple really. Don't play for stacks with TPTK in a multi-way pot. You've played this hand akin to a shallow stacked tournament situation, in which case it would be perfect.

Here though, we can raise ourselves to $3 on the flop and get away without getting stacked , even though its min-bet/raise, a 4 bet on this flop totally polarizes his range to 2pair and sets.
 
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And what did DK have? See if Dr Dick got em both right.

Don't remember. Scr33n scoops both main and side pots with his set. I'll check tonight when I get home from work and get access to my PT data.
 
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