AJs Vs Reraise from tight player?

Long story short, This guy is fairly new to the table, I had been there and managed to just mix up my game so much, and just look like a total nut case, yet for some reason ppl hated coming into pots with me, unless they held monster hands .

pokerstars Game #23072849821: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/19 19:33:42 ET
Table 'Antigone III' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Tee WeeZy ($70.65 in chips)
Seat 2: justfishin7 ($45.25 in chips)
Seat 3: mosey35 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Faraon777 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Bubba Brown ($5 in chips)
Seat 6: magnum8887 ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 7: abdi122 ($50.15 in chips)
Seat 8: Horstus ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: l_MCFACE_l ($33.85 in chips)
mosey35: posts small blind $0.10
Faraon777: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Jh]
Bubba Brown: folds
magnum8887: folds
abdi122: raises $0.75 to $1
Horstus: folds
l_MCFACE_l: folds
Tee WeeZy: calls $1
justfishin7: calls $1
mosey35: folds
Faraon777: raises $4.25 to $5.25
abdi122: calls $4.25
Tee WeeZy: folds
justfishin7: calls $4.25
*** FLOP *** [8h 7h 5d]
Faraon777: bets $9

Now here's the thing should we be getting it in here now? I really don't like to put it on the line in a "I hope it hits", but is this the play or should we call or what? I would like to hear all your feed back as to what I did wrong this hand, and plz don't be modest at all, since i'm really trying to improve (cuz going broke sucks ). So plz help me out and be as specific as possible.

1 more thing as for the other player in the hand all i can tell you is he hates folding especially if he has a piece of that flop, or anything else.


Critize me all you need to, in order to help me improve

Fold PF.

Tight player - my guess would be that even though he may not have hit the flop, you were beat. Weather it be AK or middle pocket pair, I think you were beat. Things would be different if you hit the flop.

Please fold to the 3bet, since he has you crushed preflop. Hes probably got JJ+, but I think your priced in at this point especially if he doesnt have aces.

2 options:

1: Fold to 3-Bet

2: If your calling in that spot then surely 4 to a flush is enough to get it in on the flop? Why consider folding after calling pre-flop, a flush draw after calling a 3-bet pre-flop should be enough to get it in surely?

So do we do the shoving or calling and then shove if we hit?

if u called pre flop then this is excellent flop i think. U had to think u were beat preflop so this actually is a nice flop. I mean at this point you have to get it in, and as far as callin or shoving... i think u gotta shove no question. What fold on the turn when hes only got about 12 left? INterested in hearing what the outcome here was.

naruto_miu said:

So do we do the shoving or calling and then shove if we hit?

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Shove, I seriously doubt he's folding at this point but in the remote chance that it does it gives you another way of winning.

RJB-7 said:

2 options:

1: Fold to 3-Bet

2: If your calling in that spot then surely 4 to a flush is enough to get it in on the flop? Why consider folding after calling pre-flop, a flush draw after calling a 3-bet pre-flop should be enough to get it in surely?

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Actually I was never considering folding but more or less seeing which is a better move to call his bet and see if we hit, and then let him do the shoving or to shove it right now in this spot

PokerStars Game #23072849821: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/19 19:33:42 ET
Table 'Antigone III' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Tee WeeZy ($70.65 in chips)
Seat 2: justfishin7 ($45.25 in chips)
Seat 3: mosey35 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Faraon777 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Bubba Brown ($5 in chips)
Seat 6: magnum8887 ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 7: abdi122 ($50.15 in chips)
Seat 8: Horstus ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: l_MCFACE_l ($33.85 in chips)
mosey35: posts small blind $0.10
Faraon777: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Jh]
Bubba Brown: folds
magnum8887: folds
abdi122: raises $0.75 to $1
Horstus: folds
l_MCFACE_l: folds
Tee WeeZy: calls $1
justfishin7: calls $1
mosey35: folds
Faraon777: raises $4.25 to $5.25
abdi122: calls $4.25
Tee WeeZy: folds
justfishin7: calls $4.25
*** FLOP *** [8h 7h 5d]
Faraon777: bets $9
abdi122: calls $9
justfishin7: folds
*** TURN *** [8h 7h 5d] [2h]
Faraon777: bets $11.10 and is all-in
abdi122: calls $11.10
*** RIVER *** [8h 7h 5d 2h] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Faraon777: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)
abdi122: shows [Ah Jh] (a flush, Ace high)
abdi122 collected $54.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $57.05 | Rake $2.75
Board [8h 7h 5d 2h 3c]
Seat 1: Tee WeeZy folded before Flop
Seat 2: justfishin7 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: mosey35 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Faraon777 (big blind) showed [As Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: Bubba Brown folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: magnum8887 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: abdi122 showed [Ah Jh] and won ($54.30) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: Horstus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: l_MCFACE_l folded before Flop (didn't bet)

here's the thing with me, I personally don't like to do things until it's a certain win (I realize this is poker, and there's gambling), but still a flush draw is only at best a draw, not to mention I like them to do the shoving as was this case, but i'll remember all your input next time, and will be sure to fold ajs

I think this is a fold pre. As played I peel 1 and fold the turn if I dont hit a flush and only a flush

Even in IP, fold preflop. AJs is strong in limped pots but you'll find that AJ is just like KQ -- it is basically a payoff hand to AK/AQ.

As played, you might as well get it in on the flop. He's obviously got a monster and is going to push on the turn. But you can just call and fold if the turn bricks. You're basically flipping with KK/QQ.

naruto_miu said:

here's the thing with me, I personally don't like to do things until it's a certain win (I realize this is poker, and there's gambling), but still a flush draw is only at best a draw, not to mention I like them to do the shoving as was this case, but i'll remember all your input next time, and will be sure to fold ajs

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In my honest opinion, I suggest you drop down to at least $10 NL. Go read a few poker books, and as much info as you can about EV+

Also get Poker Stove. You really can't win at NL holdem thinking like that.

P.S fold pre flop

aj to a raise from after 3 callers or w.e is probably dominated or atleast racing it all depends what you put him on ...obviously you put him on unders if ur going all in with a flush draw

Despite how the hand played out, against this type of player, this is always a fold imo.