AJ SB vs min raise over card

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Villian has been pretty tight. Not played in many hands. He is OOP and min raised. His range is huge here. Now this type of play with this type of hand is a major leak for me in cash games. How would you play this?

Stage #1146384068: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2008-12-09 11:36:02 (ET)
Table: DOVE AVE (real money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - JANET33 ($130.26 in chips)
Seat 3 - BUBBASBEST ($49.67 in chips)
Seat 4 - JOES2828 ($50 in chips)
Seat 5 - GUISATCH ($49.65 in chips)
Seat 6 - FREDSBAR ($13.24 in chips)
Seat 1 - TJMN71 ($14.37 in chips)
BUBBASBEST - Posts small blind $0.10
JOES2828 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BUBBASBEST [Jd As]
GUISATCH - Folds
FREDSBAR - Folds
TJMN71 - Raises $0.50 to $0.50
JANET33 - Folds
BUBBASBEST - Calls $0.40
JOES2828 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 4c Qc]
BUBBASBEST -?
 
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I probably would have reraised preflop to see where he stands on his hand preflop. A c-bet on the flop I would probably do if he calls the reraise.
 
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The situation you are in is why you shouldn't flat call a min raise oop with AJo. Raise it or fold it.



Any stats on villain or just that he's "tight"? Has he been min raising often?
 
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The situation you are in is why you shouldn't flat call a min raise oop with AJo. Raise it or fold it.

^^ This, against a tight player you will be dominated lots and being out of position will make it even harder.
 
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Playing AJ from the SB vs. a tight player is throwing money away.
 
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Villian has been pretty tight. Not played in many hands. He is OOP and min raised. His range is huge here.

How can you range a tight player so wide, with an EP raise ?

His range should be tiny.
 
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Villian has been pretty tight. Not played in many hands.... His range is huge here.
Maybe you mistyped. A tight player has a small range, not huge.
He is OOP and min raised.
But he has position on you post-flop, which is worse for you.
Now this type of play with this type of hand is a major leak for me in cash games. How would you play this?
Yeah. Me too. It seems like that 40 cents is such a bargain that we can't pass it up. And AJ seems like a strong enough hand to us to call an extra 40 cents. But it isn't and a bunch of 40-cent losses adds up over time. It could even lead to worse things post-flop that cost even more money. Consider all the factors you are facing here: Tightish, unknown player; curious min-raise; you'll be OOP post-flop; and your hand is not a monster. With all this against you, you have to re-raise or fold pre-flop. And I would lean toward "fold" since you don't have much of a read on him.

As played: Check/fold the flop since the Q is there.
 
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When I typed his range is huge I meant that he is most likely playing huge hands. Now here is the confusing part. I have found that sometimes I am a little too passive on some hands. (yeah, can you believe that?)
I can't figure out if this guy is playing me or drawing to something. I was checking on the flop with the intent to fold. But when he checked me I believe he was either drawing to a small PP or AK. And you know how I love to suckout. So what would your position be at this point?

*** FLOP *** [Jh 4c Qc]
BUBBASBEST - Checks
TJMN71 - Checks
*** TURN *** [Jh 4c Qc] 3♥
BUBBASBEST - Bets $1.25
TJMN71 - Calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** [Jh 4c Qc 3h] K♥
BUBBASBEST?
 
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fold or 3bet preflop. Makes your life so much easier. If your read is that villain is a nit, then AJ is a very clear fold preflop.

As played, i don't know. I never flat with AJ oop so I have no clue how to play it by the river.
 
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Errrr check/call ?

Betting achieves little, we only get calls from hands that have us beat at this stage. Checking might induce a bluff from a hand like 1010.
 
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When I typed his range is huge I meant that he is most likely playing huge hands.

*** FLOP *** [Jh 4c Qc]
BUBBASBEST - Checks
TJMN71 - Checks
*** TURN *** [Jh 4c Qc] 3♥
BUBBASBEST - Bets $1.25
TJMN71 - Calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** [Jh 4c Qc 3h] K♥
BUBBASBEST?

Based on your read his range is AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ. There is absolutely no way you are ahead here. Fold.
 
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What kind of hand would he just call a pot sized bet on the turn? Only a hand that can afford to give you a free card and hope that you bluff again.
 
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When I typed his range is huge I meant that he is most likely playing huge hands. Now here is the confusing part. I have found that sometimes I am a little too passive on some hands. (yeah, can you believe that?)
I can't figure out if this guy is playing me or drawing to something. I was checking on the flop with the intent to fold. But when he checked me I believe he was either drawing to a small PP or AK. And you know how I love to suckout. So what would your position be at this point?

*** FLOP *** [Jh 4c Qc]
BUBBASBEST - Checks
TJMN71 - Checks
*** TURN *** [Jh 4c Qc] 3♥
BUBBASBEST - Bets $1.25
TJMN71 - Calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** [Jh 4c Qc 3h] K♥
BUBBASBEST?
I could be wrong, but I think you are over-thinking a $3.75 pot. Fine, a small pocket pair might fold to your turn bet. So maybe that was worth a shot. But that didn't happen, so you have to lean towards giving up here. With a tight but limited read on the villain, you can't be so sure he's drawing. Sure, you can mostly rule out AA, KK, and QQ due to his passivity. But AT, AQ, and AK also have you spanked. Even looser hands like QT, KT, KJ, and QJ crush you.

With 3rd pair-top kicker, check/fold the river (or call a small bet if you just want info you can use in the future by seeing what he has).
 
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This was my thinking. I figured to check fold on the river. When these results came up I couldn't believe it. I have since revised my play against these min raises as they invariably turn out to be small PP.

*** RIVER *** [Jh 4c Qc 3h] K♥
BUBBASBEST - Checks
TJMN71 - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BUBBASBEST - Shows [Jd As] (One pair, jacks)
TJMN71 - Mucks
BUBBASBEST Collects $3.57 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3.75) | Rake ($0.18)
Board [Jh 4c Qc 3h Kh]
Seat 1: TJMN71 HI: [Mucked] [8s 8d]
Seat 2: JANET33 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: BUBBASBEST (small blind) won Total ($3.57) HI:($3.57) with One pair, jacks [Jd As - B:Jh,P:Jd,P:As,B:Kh,B:Qc]
 
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