Advice on hands

light65536 said:

Playing .01/.02 NL I went from a +10 winner on over 2k hands to a -8 loser (18 lost from my peak equity high). I went from consistent winner to a consistent loser thus I've quit playing for money for now. Closing out my account for now but might return later. My style worked really well which I varied between semi-loose-aggressive and very-tight selective aggressive. Two player types took most of my money: super aggressive players--defined by players who bet more then 5x the BB and quite often and money bulls (players who go all in when they hit a sure thing). Maybe I went on tilt or just got burned out from playing too much. I was hoping to build a bankroll but i was wasting lot of time on it anyway. The super aggressive players basically obviously don't belong in micros because they will bet $1 or $2 on a pair only and most rounds. Of course, you say well just be very tight and pick them off but that is assuming you get a perfect flop or else you have to call an all-in bet hoping the SA doesnt' have anything.

Here are just a few of the ways I lost-- lost pots and my money. Any insightful analysis is useful on whether I played these hands right or wrong. I made a lot of bad plays too but this is just a selection of ways I lost.

POKERSTARS GAME #16231565604: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/25 - 00:20:52 (ET)
Table 'Kolga IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Quikone007 ($4.88 in chips)
Seat 2: luckylma ($1.63 in chips)
Seat 3: patetsonia ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: CaffeAddict ($3.12 in chips)
Seat 5: 546545 ($3.15 in chips)
Seat 6: cjsqhtks ($3.72 in chips)
Seat 7: Trimmann ($1.61 in chips)
Seat 8: light65536 ($1.28 in chips)
Seat 9: igorhaick ($1.85 in chips)
luckylma: posts small blind $0.01
patetsonia: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Tc Th]
CaffeAddict: calls $0.02
546545: folds
cjsqhtks: folds
Trimmann: folds
light65536: calls $0.02(I personally would have bet 3xBB just to thin the field a bit, I doubt it would have really mattered though, players at this level find it hard to let go of anything connected or suited, so the bet is mainly to sweeten the pot for when you hit the board)
igorhaick: calls $0.02
Quikone007: calls $0.02
luckylma: folds
patetsonia: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 2h 6s]
patetsonia: checks
CaffeAddict: bets $0.10
light65536: raises $0.10 to $0.20(this raise was fine considering you had an overpair to the board)
igorhaick: raises $0.10 to $0.30
Quikone007: calls $0.30
patetsonia: folds
CaffeAddict: folds
light65536: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [4h 2h 6s] 8♦
light65536: bets $0.96 and is all-in
igorhaick: raises $0.57 to $1.53 and is all-in
Quikone007: calls $1.53
*** RIVER *** [4h 2h 6s 8d] 7♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
igorhaick: shows [6h 8h] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)(Like I had said earlier, these players put too much confidence in suited cards and get lucky)
Quikone007: mucks hand
igorhaick collected $1.04 from side pot
light65536: mucks hand
igorhaick collected $3.84 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.13 Main pot $3.84. Side pot $1.04. | Rake $0.25
Board [4h 2h 6s 8d 7c]
Seat 1: Quikone007 (button) mucked [Kh Ks]
Seat 2: luckylma (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: patetsonia (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: CaffeAddict folded on the Flop
Seat 5: 546545 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cjsqhtks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Trimmann folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: light65536 mucked [Tc Th]
Seat 9: igorhaick showed [6h 8h] and won ($4.88) with two pair, Eights and Sixes
^^^Aside from not raising preflop, you played above hand fine, just got unlucky.

I thought he might be on J-10, A-K, or a flush draw. J-10 was right. I was 50/50 J-10 but I thought he might be on AK too. Typical "money bull" play.

POKERSTARS GAME #16302553521: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/27 - 23:36:26 (ET)
Table 'Halley' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: AidaGoli ($2.80 in chips)
Seat 3: J_-420-_06 ($0.82 in chips)
Seat 4: drgnbttrfly ($3.31 in chips)
Seat 5: muff5000 ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 6: OakCliff Ham ($1.09 in chips)
Seat 7: labattblue39 ($5.49 in chips)
Seat 8: Quikone007 ($6.72 in chips)
Seat 9: light65536 ($2 in chips)
Quikone007: posts small blind $0.01
light65536: posts big blind $0.02
winehouse: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [As Kc]
AidaGoli: raises $0.02 to $0.04
J_-420-_06: calls $0.04
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.04
muff5000: calls $0.04
OakCliff Ham: folds
labattblue39: calls $0.04
Quikone007: folds
light65536: raises $0.06 to $0.10(IMO, you overvalue AK and a small bet here would have been better, maybe 3xBB)
AidaGoli: calls $0.06
J_-420-_06: folds
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.06
muff5000: calls $0.06
labattblue39: calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [9c 4c Ks]
light65536: bets $0.12(Too small of a bet, your giving proper odds to chase the flush, not that these players understand odds much, so up it to maybe $0.30)
AidaGoli: calls $0.12
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.12
muff5000: calls $0.12
labattblue39: calls $0.12
*** TURN *** [9c 4c Ks] Q♦
light65536: bets $0.20
AidaGoli: raises $2.38 to $2.58 and is all-in(this overbet screams, "Call me I hit")
drgnbttrfly: folds
muff5000: folds
labattblue39: folds
light65536: calls $1.58 and is all-in(Did you not think it over before you called this or was this an insta-call?)
*** RIVER *** [9c 4c Ks Qd] Q♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
light65536: shows [As Kc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
AidaGoli: shows [Js Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
AidaGoli collected $4.51 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.71 | Rake $0.20
Board [9c 4c Ks Qd Qh]
Seat 1: AidaGoli showed [Js Ts] and won ($4.51) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 3: J_-420-_06 folded before Flop
Seat 4: drgnbttrfly folded on the Turn
Seat 5: muff5000 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: OakCliff Ham folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: labattblue39 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Quikone007 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: light65536 (big blind) showed [As Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens

I knew this guy didn't have an ACE because he was playing so many hands. I couldn't protect my hand even with the help on the turn and I couldn't put the guy on a hand because I knew he wasn't likely to have AK. Another money-bull play.

POKERSTARS GAME #16275229688: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/26 - 20:44:20 (ET)
Table 'Evita III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: --Ohptello-- ($6.02 in chips)
Seat 2: light65536 ($1.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Teksas_Jack ($4.94 in chips)
Seat 4: TheHashashin ($4.42 in chips)
Seat 5: Black Delta ($5.03 in chips)
--Ohptello--: posts small blind $0.01
light65536: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Th Ac]
Teksas_Jack: calls $0.02
TheHashashin: folds
Black Delta: calls $0.02
--Ohptello--: folds
light65536: raises $0.02 to $0.04(min raise is no good)
Teksas_Jack: calls $0.02
Black Delta: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ad 8d]
light65536: bets $0.10
Teksas_Jack: folds
Black Delta: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [Kh Ad 8d] [Tc]
light65536: bets $0.20
Black Delta: calls $0.20
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ad 8d Tc] 8♠
light65536: bets $0.30
Black Delta: raises $1.70 to $2
light65536: calls $0.86 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Black Delta: shows [6h 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)
light65536: mucks hand
Black Delta collected $2.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.05 | Rake $0.15
Board [Kh Ad 8d Tc 8s]
Seat 1: --Ohptello-- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: light65536 (big blind) mucked [Th Ac]
Seat 3: Teksas_Jack folded on the Flop
Seat 4: TheHashashin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Black Delta (button) showed [6h 8h] and won ($2.90) with three of a kind, Eights
^^^looks as if you were not going to get him off his pair, so again just write it offf under "Donkey beats"

A super aggressive player.. trying to stop. No luck.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Jh Ah]
light65536: calls $0.01
Parhammer has returned
jacobdubbel: raises $8.87 to $8.89 and is all-in
light65536: calls $3.58 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7d Td 5d]
*** TURN *** [7d Td 5d] Q♠
*** RIVER *** [7d Td 5d Qs] 6♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jacobdubbel: shows [3c Qh] (a pair of Queens)
light65536: mucks hand
jacobdubbel collected $6.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.20 | Rake $0.35
Board [7d Td 5d Qs 6d]
Seat 5: jacobdubbel (big blind) showed [3c Qh] and won ($6.85) with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: light65536 (button) (small blind) mucked [Jh Ah]

Perfect flop gone wrong...

POKERSTARS GAME #16113918449: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/20 - 11:06:06 (ET)
Table 'Kajam V' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Jensesc ($1.01 in chips)
Seat 2: ShutUpNdeal4 ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 4: LARSc10 ($2.42 in chips)
Seat 5: Tony260491 ($2.22 in chips)
Seat 6: hossemikko ($2.49 in chips)
Seat 7: light65536 ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 8: ditzichick ($1.17 in chips)
Seat 9: kazzaz1337 ($0.99 in chips)
Jensesc: posts small blind $0.01
ShutUpNdeal4: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Kd Ks]
LARSc10: folds
Tony260491: calls $0.02
hossemikko: folds
light65536: raises $0.02 to $0.04( Way too weak of a bet, 4-5xBB is required here, but considering the low level 6-8xBB would be good)
ditzichick: calls $0.04
kazzaz1337: folds
Jensesc: calls $0.03
ShutUpNdeal4: calls $0.02
Tony260491: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9h 7c]
Jensesc: checks
ShutUpNdeal4: checks
Tony260491: checks
light65536: bets $0.25(Push allin here, your almost guaranteed $ here as most chasers will call this bet on any draw at the .01/.02 level)
ditzichick: folds
Jensesc: calls $0.25
ShutUpNdeal4: folds
Tony260491: folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 9h 7c] [Th]
Tony260491 is sitting out
Tony260491 leaves the table
Jensesc: bets $0.72 and is all-in
light65536: calls $0.72
*** RIVER *** [Kh 9h 7c Th] 5♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jensesc: shows [Js Qd] (a straight, Nine to King)
light65536: mucks hand
biex joins the table at seat #5
Jensesc collected $2.04 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.14 | Rake $0.10
Board [Kh 9h 7c Th 5s]
Seat 1: Jensesc (small blind) showed [Js Qd] and won ($2.04) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: ShutUpNdeal4 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: LARSc10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Tony260491 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: hossemikko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: light65536 mucked [Kd Ks]
Seat 8: ditzichick folded on the Flop
Seat 9: kazzaz1337 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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I notice a common trend is when I'm betting i have the best hand but by the time I put so much into the pot to protect my big hand I feel like it'd be a loss not to call thus when someone does hit lucky they get payed off big time by time. SOO I thought okay I'll not call unless I have the nuts an all-in bet and as soon as I do that this guy bluffs me on the river and shows me he had nothing.

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I knew this guy didn't have an ACE because he was playing so many hands.

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Richyl2008 said:

It looks as if you are not betting enough to protect your good hands, and you are overvaluing your top pair hands in multiway pots. You say your biggest losses are coming from you calling allins, the AJs Q3 hand is a good example, sure you had the best hand in this spot and got somewhat unlucky, but why risk almost an entire buyin in a 4 cent pot? If you wanted to play the hand you should have brought it in for a raise, dont get cute with these 5nl players, play tight but play aggressively, dont bluff, with the exception of a continuation bet when your heads up on the flop. Eliminate the minraise from your game completely unless you have a lock hand and think that its the only sized raise your opponent will call.

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light65536 said:

Rich, exactly my thoughts. My plan with the min-raise was to build these larger pots that I'd then take down on the flop because I wasn't getting many callers before. Unfortunately this left me open to river fishers and stronger made hands or weak flush draws, 3 kinds, etc. This change in my game I think is what made me go from consistent winner too loser. The median number of people who seen the flop on my biggest winning hands was only 1 person and on my biggest losers the median number of people who seen the flop was around 3 people.

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