Advice on the flop and turn

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Villian $250
Limper $200
Hero $450

preflop UG raise to 7 ..... 3 callers (me on button As5s)

Flop QsTs9h..... Villian bets 15----Limper calls 15 and Hero calls 15

Question 1... I could raise the limper didn't even think so no 2 pair or better BUT not sure I have any fold EQ with UG raiser.... he is an older man and has seen me show up some weird hands on the button. ... 15 into 28 53% of pot.... thinking now I should have he's not really betting enough to protect his hand in my thoughts unless he has the str already but then I really expect more protection.

Turn Jd...... Villian bets 40---- Limper 40---- me???

40 into 153 .... 26% is this a call? I have Nut flush and now a gut shot straight draw? I think it is .... so what about a raise on the Flop, or Turn?
Your thoughts? any input is greatly appreciated.
 
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definitely don't raise flop on a board like this, so many hands in villains range connects really well with this board, calling flop standard, turn i'd probably fold though i think calling is fine too if you're getting a good price and your implied odds are strong.
 
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I am a regular player looking to improve his game.

1-2 NL
Villian $250
Limper $200
Hero $450

preflop UG raise to 7 ..... 3 callers (me on button As5s)

Flop QsTs9h..... Villian bets 15----Limper calls 15 and Hero calls 15

Question 1... I could raise the limper didn't even think so no 2 pair or better BUT not sure I have any fold EQ with UG raiser.... he is an older man and has seen me show up some weird hands on the button. ... 15 into 28 53% of pot.... thinking now I should have he's not really betting enough to protect his hand in my thoughts unless he has the str already but then I really expect more protection.

Turn Jd...... Villian bets 40---- Limper 40---- me???

40 into 153 .... 26% is this a call? I have Nut flush and now a gut shot straight draw? I think it is .... so what about a raise on the Flop, or Turn?
Your thoughts? any input is greatly appreciated.

Is this hand live or online? If it is online, you may just call the flop and turn, though actually I won't call the preflop open raise from UTG...

If it is live, I may have a read on the two opponents to see if any of them have a K, esp. UTG. If the answer of my reading is no, I may just shove the turn to take the pot right here. Even if my reading is totally wrong, I still have 10-11 outs to win the pot.
 
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if you're 9 handed, everyone is dealt in, plus the 4 down cards, there are 22 cards dealt. You have 12 outs. (9 flush and 3 strght) there are 30 cards left in the deck. That's more than 30% of the deck. You're getting almost 4 to 1 on a call with river action yet to come. Yes it's a call. You're getting a good price with quite a few outs.

I don't like raising on a draw, but that's me. A couple of my friends are completely comfortable doing it alot. I guess I'd do it with an uber nit on my left, but mostly, I don't. Definitely not a turn raise hear. They're making the mistake here by giving you odds good enough to chase a draw. Don't ruin that by raising. What if you got 3 bet? generally not a good idea to bloat the pot on a draw with only one card to come.
 
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I would call the turn for sure. You have 9 outs to the nuts and 2 more outs to give you flush on a paired board which should still win the hand most of the times.

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I would of just simply called on both spots the flop and turn and hope for our flush to come.
 
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It was a wet board.The way i see it a call should be fine.You dont need to raise on board like this.
 
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call on the flop is good. call on the turn is good to. your villain is repping AK. Unless your opponent is not playing well.. or playing weird, the bet on the flop and turn is too small to *rep AQ/KQ. With two people calling behind he's giving great odds to hit a draw.

So it's safe to say your drawing to the flush or a chop and otherwise folding. First- you're getting good odds. Second, you have some really good implied odds. The limper is very possibly chasing to a straight or flush as well. With that in mind your nut flush can very possibly get a lot of value on the river. Because your getting even value on the direct odds and at least some value on the implied odds your call here is going to be + value.

The only other option is the play on the flop. With an over card, a flush draw, and a back door straight raising isn't out of the question. But if you're raising you're looking for a fold. So the question is: A) can you convincingly fold out two people? What's your image? Can you leverage the limper against your villain here? How station-y are your villain and limper? How tight is your villains UTG raising range (AK/AQ/AJ+, or is KQ in that range)? Is your opponent making a small bet because he's strong or weak?

Against an opponent that you don't have much read on, I like call-call. Against an opponent that you do have a read on, well, it depends on the above. The way he's betting should signify strength, but on some opponents it will signify weakness/insecurity.
 
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I agree, just call on both streets and hope we get our draws.

Our price and implied odds are good.
 
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not getting proper pot odds, but good impled odds especially if another has a flush draw:D
 
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flop is a call , im not sure about the turn , its either fold or call and i think folding might be better , i dont think your implied odds are nearly enough to call.
 
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