AA on FD flop

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Dealt to Entiteit [As Ac]
Spiky08: folds
PHLYHigH: folds
Entiteit: raises $0.04 to $0.06
foxcat38: calls $0.06
zsolt1818: folds
actionarnie joins the table at seat #9
MORZA31: folds
kounamoutas: folds
Andy Jacotey: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s Qc Kc]
Entiteit: checks
foxcat38: bets $0.08
Entiteit: calls $0.08
*** TURN *** [2s Qc Kc] [9h]
Entiteit: checks
foxcat38: bets $0.16
Entiteit: raises $0.26 to $0.42
foxcat38: calls $0.26
*** RIVER *** [2s Qc Kc 9h] [Jc]
Entiteit: bets $2
foxcat38: calls $1.37 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.63) returned to Entiteit
 
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I'll be interested to see what others have to say about this hand. I suppose you could have raised more pre-flop and maybe got him him to fold, but after he hits top pair on the flop I don't think any bet would have shaken him out of the pot.

I'm a little iffy about the river bet though. The Jc puts both a flush and a straight out there. I might have checked only because I have to suspect that the only hands that are calling me are ones who have me beat.
 
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What range do you have him on once he calls your turn check/raise ?

Think about it, what hands do you beat and what hands beat you ?

Edited OP to remove results.
 
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Regadless what anyone says, playing at this level a lot of people are playing for the excitement and the gamble.

Without knowing the other guy, if u had pushed all in he might have folded, but then again, he might have called. So I would not be too worried about that side of it.

That flop does not look clever - lots of posibilities and the best u can hope for at that time would be AQ/ AK (probably not latter cause he would have pushed.) - I can`t understand why u checked the flop.

The turn then gives possible straight - the hole is getting deeper. So what do u do - reraise :confused:

To sum this up. I would imaging when playing low stake games the best u can do is get you chips in when ahead. As this hand played your situation got worse on each street. But your betting does not seem to follow that pattern to me.
 
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On the turn I don't know what to think.
He could have KQ, suited connectors , a set, and things like top pair: AK, AQ, KQ, 69s, 79s, 89s, maybe KTs, K9s, QTs, QJ possibly even JT.

So at this point I have him beat unless he has 2 pair, a set or JT right ?
Everything else and he's drawing.

That's true, but I'm still wondering about the river bet. At that point, you're behind many, many hands. I guess I'm wondering why you decided to put him all in after the flush and straight card comes.
 
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On the flop I had him on a flush draw.
At 2 nl it's hard to put him on a hand based on preflop play imo.
They could have anything calling a 6c raise.

On the turn I don't know what to think.
He could have KQ, suited connectors , a set, and things like top pair: AK, AQ, KQ, 69s, 79s, 89s, maybe KTs, K9s, QTs, QJ possibly even JT.

So at this point I have him beat unless he has 2 pair, a set or JT right ?
Everything else and he's drawing.


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That's true, but I'm still wondering about the river bet. At that point, you're behind many, many hands. I guess I'm wondering why you decided to put him all in after the flush and straight card comes.

I guess I was hoping to buy it there, scare cards and flush maybe.
But more to the truth I was probably upset that I already lost the hand and decided to throw some more money away ?
 
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But more to the truth I was probably upset that I already lost the hand and decided to throw some more money away ?

This is something I have started to come to terms with - if u r beat, u r beat.

I can now lay down hands like this (most of the time), and my results show it.

Lesson learnt???
 
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What reason have you to put him on a flush draw on the flop, you have gotten no extra information from your check, call. He more likely has a K-x type hand than a flush draw, and he called a raise pre-flop.

So if he called a raise with a K-x hand its likely a decent king hand, so we can range it from bluffs to AK (unlikely because we have 2 aces) so realistically KQ,KJ,K10,K9 and some lower pocket pair, some random flush draws and some straight draws. Easy :)

On the turn we can dismiss the bluffs, the lower pocket pairs, we can keep the flush/straight draw and the K-x hands and the sets.

On the river the flush draw fills, the straight draw fills, the sets are ahead, KJ,KQ,K9,K10 beats us, so realistically we only beat one hand, thats a rag king. So whatever about the turn the river is a trivial fold.
 
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No reads provided, and no stack sizes, so this hand has to be considered theoretically as a fresh table with even stacks.

Standard PF raise wanting limited action is ok, but at this level, a 5x raise might have been better.

The flop is where you made your mistake. You saw the draw(s) and checked?

You know that was a gamble, there are flops where slow playing AA is not such a bad thing, but this wasn't one of those flops. You HAVE to make villain make a mistake by chasing his draw.

You didn't, he caught and you paid!

As further penance, I suggest self flogging for ten minutes.;)
 
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The flop is where you made your mistake. You saw the draw(s) and checked?

You know that was a gamble, there are flops where slow playing AA is not such a bad thing, but this wasn't one of those flops. You HAVE to make villain make a mistake by chasing his draw.

I think I do this quite often, check my Aces on too dangerous flops.
It might be because I'm scared of taking it down on the flop and winning some small pot, but instead I seem to prefer letting people straight or flush or 2 pair me. :(
 
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Don't c/r turn just lead out. Why on earth are you betting the river? There is a 4 to a straight, a flush draw came in, and there are plenty of 2 pair combos on the board. Even if you can't fold your AA (i have no idea what villain plays like...if he would bluff river or not) in general you have to check call the river rather than bet, because at least that way you get all in vs a wider range, as some of villain's range includes bluffs (tho for many players it doesn't). Anyways, vs a non-fishy villain (who doesn't peel flop/turn ridiculously lightly in the intention of bluffing) in most cases this would be a bet flop bet turn then check fold river.

You beat absolutely nothing on the river since every reasonable K, Q cept AK/AQ has made 2 pair or a straight and none of the flop draws missed. If you can't fold AA here you'll never be able to do so.
 
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Don't c/r turn just lead out. Why on earth are you betting the river? There is a 4 to a straight, a flush draw came in, and there are plenty of 2 pair combos on the board. Even if you can't fold your AA (i have no idea what villain plays like...if he would bluff river or not) in general you have to check call the river rather than bet, because at least that way you get all in vs a wider range, as some of villain's range includes bluffs (tho for many players it doesn't). Anyways, vs a non-fishy villain (who doesn't peel flop/turn ridiculously lightly in the intention of bluffing) in most cases this would be a bet flop bet turn then check fold river.

You beat absolutely nothing on the river since every reasonable K, Q cept AK/AQ has made 2 pair or a straight and none of the flop draws missed. If you can't fold AA here you'll never be able to do so.

Thx for the very optimistic comment. Already explained above bout the river thing and I'm working on folding aces. So thx.
 
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Thx for the very optimistic comment. Already explained above bout the river thing and I'm working on folding aces. So thx.

I believe I played against you earlier today on stars, could be mistaken but I really believe it was you, I ruffled your feathers abit with a comment, hmm, how did it go, "Bad move", if not you, then just forget about it, of to your hand! Just curious, why didn't you bet out alot bigger preflop? I mean no disrespect intended here, but at this level ppl are calling you regardless unless you put in a hefty raise preflop. The other thing I don't like about this hand, is the check? I mean, ok, I get that you said you are learning to fold aces:confused: (which, is just making me laugh:D ), but if you had played this hand aggressivley from the get go there would be no reason for you to have to fold aces. Now about that check again? I know you seen all the different combo draws out there, and unless you personally felt that the person in this hand was on one of those combo draws, and either wanted to see a cheap river, or see if you could hit a set (Which in all fairness still would'nt make any sense), that is unless you felt beat already on this flop, your check in it-self showed the villain in this hand, that your pretty scared of this flop, and your check raise, did less then anything spectular to prove other wise, taking all this into consideration, I would personally have to guess that you were either, on a tilt move, with your river bet, or really felt that your oppent could've had a set, and would have folded to an ugly river, which still makes no sense to try moves like this at this level, is beyond me, hope this rabbling makes sense, since it's almost 6am here.
 
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