AA faces minraise from fish on wet flop [200nl FR]

zachvac

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poker stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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MP3: $40 (20 bb)
CO: $258.15 (129.1 bb)
BTN: $29 (14.5 bb)
SB: $38 (19 bb)
BB: $223.50 (111.8 bb)
UTG+1: $161.15 (80.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): $240 (120 bb)
MP2: $34.60 (17.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with A
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A
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UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls $6

Flop: ($19) K
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5
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(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $14, UTG+1 raises to $28

Villain is 26/15/3.0 fish. Small sample but EP he is 40/20. I expect him to raise AK/KK preflop. Is he stacking enough flush draws and maybe KQ/KJ to simply jam here? Anyone just flat this and jam safe turn? If turn's another spade do we fold? What's our plan?
 
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I don't mind getting this in here, I think he's certainly capable of doing this with a draw or worse king. KK is very unlikely, and your only behind 2 specific hands and he is a fish, an aggressive one at that
 
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How they hell do you get yourself into these situations:D ?
You pick up Monsters, and yet have ppl check raising you:confused: ?

As for the hand it-self I would say that, really getting it ALLIN here is a good plan, many ppl will do this with AK, KQ, maybe KJ (I doubt it, but maybe). I mean calling is'nt really a bad play, since we want to see how, the other player acts on a dryish turn (If the turn is dry), (yet that's a bad plan, because then were hoping for a blank turn). All you really have to be afraid that the other player holds, is AKs.

So answer is Jam this all day, but hey I'm dumb so no need to take it all to heart:p
 
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Fishes check-raise their flush draws ????
 
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On jamming: He's obviously never folding better. But he will very often fold worse. And I think you're missing a lot of value from KJ/KT/K9 if you shove here, because while some opponents will hesitantly call with these hands, it's not going to be all the time for all opponents. And if he's doing this with 88-QQ, you're missing out as well when you shove (I can only assume he's folding).

It's really difficult to gauge how likely he is to have a flushdraw, but it's not superlikely unless we have a read saying that this is how he plays flushdraws. And a flushdraw is really the only thing that would make us happy about getting it in.

Eeking out a bit more value from worse hands by just calling his raise is how I'd play this. I'm obviously very unlikely to be folding at any point.
 
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On jamming: He's obviously never folding better. But he will very often fold worse. And I think you're missing a lot of value from KJ/KT/K9 if you shove here, because while some opponents will hesitantly call with these hands, it's not going to be all the time for all opponents. And if he's doing this with 88-QQ, you're missing out as well when you shove (I can only assume he's folding).

It's really difficult to gauge how likely he is to have a flushdraw, but it's not superlikely unless we have a read saying that this is how he plays flushdraws. And a flushdraw is really the only thing that would make us happy about getting it in.

Eeking out a bit more value from worse hands by just calling his raise is how I'd play this. I'm obviously very unlikely to be folding at any point.


Ya but would'nt ppl at this stage reraise with there combo made/drawing hands? What I mean by made is AKs/ KQs/KJs or anything of this nature? Since the person has Kx's he/she maybe inclined to belive that they have the best hand, there-fore leading them with there combo draw to do a some-what value raise on there combo draw?
 
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If they have a combo draw we arent up that much really(only hand probably AKs but like zach said he is probably raising that pre) so we arent losing too much value. we are in position here so I think I like a flat here and fire a non spade non king turn. How often does he c/r flop?
 
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Yeah, versus a combo draw (KsXs) we're a coinflip (and he's obviously never folding such a hand) so that's not an argument for raising. If he has QsJs, sure (the difference being the two-pair outs), but that's a very narrow range of hands to try to maximize versus.
 
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