7 Card Stud Hi, $0.5-$1: Bring in vs. Fellow CC Member

Villain is DeadHXC on cards chat.

Hero is bring-in, ante is 10 cents, bring in is 15 cents.

Can I value bet 7th against him? Comments on my play in the rest of the hand? Thoughts on Villain's range?


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3rd Street:

Dealt to Hero [9h Qh] [2c]
Dealt to Villain [ X X ] [8s]
Dead Cards [ Ah, Ad, Jd, 2d, Qd]

Hero brings in, Villain calls, 5 players fold.
Potsize = $1.00

4th Street:

Dealt to Hero [9h Qh] [2c, 9c]
Dealt to Villain [ X X ] [8s, 2h]

Hero bets, Villain calls.
Potsize = $2.00

5th Street:

Dealt to Hero [9h Qh] [2c, 9c, 3c]
Dealt to Villain [ X X ] [8s, 2h, 4c]

Hero bets, Villain calls.
Potsize = $4.00

6th Street:

Dealt to Hero [9h Qh] [2c, 9c, 3c, 7h]
Dealt to Villain [ X X ] [8s, 2h, 4c, 7d]

Hero bets, Villain calls.
Potsize = $6.00

7th Street:


Dealt to Hero [9h Qh] [2c, 9c, 3c, 7h] [ 8d ]
Dealt to Villain [ X X ] [8s, 2h, 4c, 7d] [ X ]

Hero??
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Sure, you can value bet this, but I don't see us getting called very often unless we're beat. Limping into those door cards suggests a drawing type hand for the villain, he's finished up with a lot of straight cards in his board, and he probably hasn't called you all the way down with total air - I think there's probably a lot of cards you need to have dodged on the river.

Only way I figure we get called by a lone pair of eights (or worse) is if the villain puts us on a busted flush draw. That's possible, but if we were drawing with no pair to back it up surely we would've taken at least one free card?

I'm not a stud expert but, just having 1 small pr I think I check 7th, he chased all the way, he may or maynot have gotten there... so for me I check/call

OzExorcist said:

I think there's probably a lot of cards you need to have dodged on the river.

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But that's the thing, I probably have dodged them right? His board is 8247 on the river and I can account for 1 of the 8's, 2 of the 2's, and 1 of the 7's. So his hand is lookin' like a good Razz hand at this point, but not a stud one.

Plus, I am betting from the bring in, so the likelyhood that I am full of it has definitely increased.... just something to think about.

I also can't put him on a range other than split 8's or some buried small pair. If he was on a draw, he almost certainly didn't improve it with the 2 and 4 on 4th & 5th streets.

Check/calling and letting him bluff a busted gutshot straight draw is probably better than bet/folding the river, but given his board & my image (just because of the hands I post on CC), I think I have to give betting some consideration. Especially since I don't think he bluffs very often, and I'll mostly be paying him off when he's hit.

Obviously I don't think there's any way I'm behind up until 7th, unless he limped in with like tens/jacks in the hole.

First instinct was clear check-call.

However, if villain is decent he will realise that his rainbow, gapped, 8-high board is hardly conductive to bluffing 7th (in spite of your also weak board), so I don't think you will ever see a bet from him unless he's hit a set or completed a miracle draw on 7th, and I doubt he's calling down all the way just to fold say 8s on the river.

So yeah I actually quite like bet/folding on reflection. Pinch of salt required though as I haven't played Stud since the CCOP.

c9h13no3 said:

His board is 8247 on the river and I can account for 1 of the 8's, 2 of the 2's, and 1 of the 7's.

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That's true - it's the fives and sixes I'm more concerned with, and they're all live.

What position did he limp in from? Your immediate left, or somewhere further around?

There might be some opportunity to bluff on the river as villain should know that you could have a flush here, but will very likely call the last bet as this is limit poker with a hand such as a straight and even with hands such as two pair.

Value betting here looks like a weak play since you will not gain anything from it.

As said check call is so much better as you will catch some bluffs or he might bet with worse hands (although very unlikely).

Also the fact you can't be raised on a check call means that the hand plays easier (Otherwise you would have to consider if villain is capable of raising with air on 7th, but you would most likely fold).