7-5 suited on button

Hey gang, I would like your thoughts on how this played out. I apologize in advance for the lack of a complete hand history as the hand in question was played at Carbon and I have somehow managed to delete the HH.

Table 25nl full ring, I am on the button and three players limp to me and I call with

SB completes
BB raises to $.75 new to table no feel for him as yet.
other three limpers call.
I call.
SB calls.

Pot is $4.50

Flop:

SB checks
BB bets $5.00
Other three limpers fold.
Hero???????

OOps forgot BB has $19.00 behind, I have $26.00 left at this point.

How do we proceed from here. Obviously we have a flush but it is far from the nuts. Suggestions?

Raise & get AAWWWWLLLLLL EEEEENNNNN.

Also, do the limpers have full stacks?

Bet big. Very big. Flopping a flush is rare. Flopping flush over flush (or under ) much more so.

This is what you've been waiting for.

Limpers were half stacks, and the three between the BB and me folded leaving me and a $12.00 stack in the SB.

eagle jim said:

Limpers were half stacks, and the three between the BB and me folded leaving me and a $12.00 stack in the SB.

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I don't like limping behind half stacks. Full stacks, sure, since they can pay you off, and you'll have enough money behind to get a big bet in on the river when you hit your draw. Against half stacks, I just dump this preflop.

c9h13no3 said:

I don't like limping behind half stacks. Full stacks, sure, since they can pay you off, and you'll have enough money behind to get a big bet in on the river when you hit your draw. Against half stacks, I just dump this preflop.

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At first I thoght the OPer was in the BB (though the title is clear enough)

YES! This is a fairly weak hand to limp with or play at all, though it turned out interesting at least.

However, and here's where I'll show my underwear a little...

If I AM gonna play this hand where you played it (and sometimes I will because I am fishy) I am most likely gonna raise it a little bit.

cAPS

Ok,
I agree with the raise a little if I am going to play it, tbh with SB and BB yet to act, three limpers in front, I was basically looking to see the flop cheap and if I hit hard go on and if not fold in a hurry. Once BB raised to 3x and the other 3 limped, I was getting a really good price to call (however I still see your point about the raise). But with BB raising and 3 callers I figure somewhere in there there has to be AA, KK, or QQ and unless I really kill the flop I am pretty much done. I have a little history with most of the players (they are really bad - I guess maybe I am too playing 7-5 - but it was suited - lol). After BB raises $5.00 i still think he has a big PP probably with a heart or maybe not and he's trying to drive out the flush draw. My thoughts at that point are if another heart comes I'm dead. Just sort of strange....even though I think I have the best hand at the moment I am potentially dominated by the turn or river. If he has me dead already with a higher flush, I don't think he bets the flop with 4 limpers to act behind him.

So the question still remains: Call, Fold, Shove, call for mama??????

I would raise all-in. It's barely more than a pot-sized raise at this point, so it won't be too big, plus it might look like you are on a draw, and he might call with a wider range of hands, thinking he's ahead.

eagle jim said:

I was basically looking to see the flop cheap and if I hit hard go on and if not fold in a hurry.

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See, that's the thing. You're often not going to "hit hard". You're going to hit draws. And draws mean that you're going to have to get to the turn or river to make your hand. And if they're half stacks, they likely won't have a lot of money left on the later streets to pay you off when you do hit.

Raising isn't all that great either, since fishy players are almost never folding stuff like Q9 (which is big money favorite to outflop you). Also, there are 3 limpers, so its unlikely you'll be seeing a flop heads up & c-betting your way to profit.

Just dump this preflop. But after you nail the flop, you must find a way to get all in ASAP to extract maximum value.

Guess that is part of my game I need to work on (looking at relative stack sizes). I do see your point with the half stacks and of course if someone does have a Q (or heart) here they will never let it go (it is 25nl after all).

So if I am reading this right...pre-flop...bad idea to limp in multi way pot against short stacks with a drawing hand, but since I did and hit my flush on the flop...get the rest of the money in.

eagle jim said:

pre-flop...bad idea to limp in multi way pot against short stacks with a drawing hand, but since I did and hit my flush on the flop...get the rest of the money in.

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That's a great way to sum it up. If 2 of the limpers had full stacks, I'd like this a lot more.

Rest of the hand for what it is worth. I shoved all in , SB folded, BB called and turned over:


Turn was:



River was:



I just think it was one of those hands where things worked out great but not sure about how we got there.