$600 PLO 6-max: Interesting river spot

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This is a hand I played earlier today and found myself in a very interesting position once we got to the river. Villain is almost the epitome of a perfect PLO player and is very well versed in the game. His stats are based on 4700 or so hands. This is literally my first hand at the table but as stated previously me and villain share a long history with each other.

Merge - $6 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $423.00
BB: $1,555.24
UTG: $1,113.25
Hero (CO): $564.00
BTN: $519.75

SB posts SB $3.00, BB posts BB $6.00, Hero posts DB $6.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has 3:heart: 7:diamond: A:diamond: K:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $18.00, fold, SB calls $15.00, BB calls $12.00

Flop: ($54.00, 3 players) 5:heart: J:heart: 7:club:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $36.00, fold, BB calls $36.00

Turn: ($126.00, 2 players) 6:club:
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($126.00, 2 players) 7:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets $63.00, BB raises to $243.00, Hero ???

This hand becomes unique because not only do we have a flush but we are holding one of the last two sevens in the deck. What are your thoughts? Also feel free to berate my line and offer a better one if you want.
 
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Are you giving a betsizing tell here? Wouldn't you bet bigger if you had a full house? I'd probably call it off because it looks like he's trying to push you off exactly what you have and it's hard for him to have a full house.
 
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I'd assume he had the Ace-high flush, at least. He called a pre-flop raise and he called the bet on the flop. He either has bottom set or a Jack, maybe J-5 or J-7. A set of jacks would necessitate a raise from him unless he had two hearts, one of which was the Ace (then he might just let you control the action). He might also have a pair or two cards 6-10 for a straight draw pre-flop which could give him 3 pairs on the turn. If he had the straight draw on the turn plus something else, it would be dumb for him not to bet which is why I assume he had bottom set or two pair Jacks and something else. With the paired up board, I'd be worried about the many full houses that someone could have. Ultimately from what you described happened, I might put him on A-J-5-5 or A-J-7-X.

Please forgive my analysis though. I play 9-handed PLO live so I rarely see marginal hands at showdown.
 
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Why are you posting outside the blinds?

Chances villain raises here just holding the Ah thus knowing you don't?
 
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Are you giving a betsizing tell here? Wouldn't you bet bigger if you had a full house? I'd probably call it off because it looks like he's trying to push you off exactly what you have and it's hard for him to have a full house.

I was thinking that maybe my choice of betsizing could hurt me here yes.
 
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If I had to guess I'd think he has something like AhJxXX and blocking all the nut hands, otherwise he has you beat with 75xx.

edit: Or if he's a super sicko he has some marginal hand or air and is giving you a big "F U for trying to value-bet thin" line.
 
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Yeah I felt like his range here could be wider than we initially perceive because he might be trying to steal it away when I bet so thin on the river.
 
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Yeah I read about that hand awhile back, definitely a good read and has some merits here.
 
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Why are you posting outside the blinds?

Chances villain raises here just holding the Ah thus knowing you don't?

I shouldn't have posted the dead blind but had auto blind checked and thought I had my wait for BB checked instead.

Villain is capable of raising with naked Ah as he has done that a few times in our past playing history.
 
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Results:

Merge - $6 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $423.00
BB: $1,555.24
UTG: $1,113.25
Hero (CO): $564.00
BTN: $519.75

SB posts SB $3.00, BB posts BB $6.00, Hero posts DB $6.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has 3:heart: 7:diamond: A:diamond: K:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $18.00, fold, SB calls $15.00, BB calls $12.00

Flop: ($54.00, 3 players) 5:heart: J:heart: 7:club:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $36.00, fold, BB calls $36.00

Turn: ($126.00, 2 players) 6:club:
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($126.00, 2 players) 7:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets $63.00, BB raises to $243.00, Hero calls $180.00

BB shows T:spade: 3:spade: J:spade: 6:spade: (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens) (Pre 41%, Flop 43%, Turn 61%)
Hero shows 3:heart: 7:diamond: A:diamond: K:heart: (Flush, King High) (Pre 59%, Flop 57%, Turn 39%)
Hero wins $610.00

I tanked for about 30s before finally calling down. His line doesn't make sense for him to have any hand that beats me as he would have c/r'd me otf or at least bet the river.
 
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tbh i'd be calling this all day. Your line looks very weak and i'd expect him to have air a good % of the time here, or the nuts a smaller but non-negligible % of the time. Therefore re-raising is stupid and calling is your best option.

I'd say he rarely has a two-pair type hand here. (Yes, I have seen the results, and i'm surprised / confused as to why he has made this move).
 
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I'd say he rarely has a two-pair type hand here. (Yes, I have seen the results, and i'm surprised / confused as to why he has made this move).

Because he checked the river with the faint hope of checking down top pair for value and then realized DWB was betting thin (2nd nut flush on paired board when you rarely have a boat is somewhat thin in PLO) and trying to extract value from a weak range and then realized what he was doing and said, "F you, call this."
 
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Because he checked the river with the faint hope of checking down top pair for value and then realized DWB was betting thin (2nd nut flush on paired board when you rarely have a boat is somewhat thin in PLO) and trying to extract value from a weak range and then realized what he was doing and said, "F you, call this."

Haha yeah it's pretty much this. He knows I can't be that strong in general and then given my betsizing (which I'm pretty sure was lolbad now) he knows I'm betting pretty thin. If you read that thread from 2+2 that Baudib posted above it will give you better insight as to why villain c/r'd here. (granted they were playing 300/600 and not my silly 3/6 but the concept still applies)
 
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