$600 NLHE Full Ring: Tough spot with medium pocket pair

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$3/$6 live Cash game. No specific read on anyone.

HERO(SB): ~ $700
VILLIAN(BB): ~ $1000

UTG limped, 2 more limpers followed and Hero woke up with pocket 9s in the SB. Raised a little bigger than normal to $30 since Hero was OOP and didnt want to play the hand multi way. Only the BB and UTG called.

Flop 10 10 2 rainbow. Hero led out for $70 and BB smoothed. UTG folded. Turn another deuce. Hero didn't want to check and gave up the lead and bet $120. Villian put Hero all in.

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Folded after much debate. Obviously the Villian could have a 10, but was it possible that the Villian was putting Hero on some AK AQ KQ type of hand two barreling? Didn't think Villian would call with a deuce on the flop with a player behind. A bigger pocket pair would probably 3bet pre with so many limpers behind? On a 10 10 2 2 board would he really shove on the turn with the practical nuts?

In retrospect, should I check on the turn with the board double paired? Please kindly critique my play.
 
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i don't like betting the turn for value and then folding
 
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No reads to the guy on your left in a live game?

I'm probably never betting that turn unless I have history and reason to do so. You're getting floated a ton and there's a ton of smaller pairs that might bet the turn, but fold to a bet. If he checks behind on the turn, you can bet a lot of rivers and get looked up if he does have a small pair, but you're not getting 3 streets of value w/o more history imho, so much better to c/c turn.
 
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Thanks for the comments! The game just started and I haven't seen enough actions to have any specific reads. If I checked and BB bet, is this a spot where I should still call? I figured he probably wouldn't raise me unless he had it, since we were still on the first 2 orbits and he didn't have any read on me either. If I switch to c/c mode on the turn, I probably will have no idea where I stand on the river?
 
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Thanks for the comments! The game just started and I haven't seen enough actions to have any specific reads. If I checked and BB bet, is this a spot where I should still call? I figured he probably wouldn't raise me unless he had it, since we were still on the first 2 orbits and he didn't have any read on me either. If I switch to c/c mode on the turn, I probably will have no idea where I stand on the river?

No offense, but I don't think that's great reasoning. He has position on you, and maybe he does have a read on you. You honestly don't know that at this point. All you know is that you're likely still ahead of his range, but not much will call if you bet, and you can get pushed off your hand = c/c on the turn. What do you mean you have no idea where you stand on the river? Have you played at those stakes live before?
 
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calling down turn and river should be fine. you're out of position, so your options are limited. that's why it's best to just complete from the small blind with a mid pair like that. you can build a pot if you hit a set, and if you don't you should be able to get away from it. but now there's something in the pot, and unless you hit your set 99 is still going to be awkward to play out of position.
 
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I don't like raising with medium pairs from the small blind especially when three players limped in.

Because if we do raise we will often end up facing multiple opponents and being out of position against all of them and we will have no idea what the strength of our hand is. unless we flop a set we will always be unsure of our hand and we will often end up slowing down post flop and then folding to a bet or simply folding to one raise by a villain. So don't like the way the hand was played in general. :smokin:

Advice you to get in line with other limpers next time and see a cheap flop with small and medium pairs. :)
 
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I would limp preflop because it's unlikely that everyone will fold so you have to play the hand OOP anyway. Might as well keep the pot as small as possible.

The turn is a great spot to check! What do you think he has? Overcards don't really make any sense, no draws to speak of. He probably has Tx or a PP. He called on the flop with a player to act behind which is a bit strong. I would check and hope he checks back, signaling a pocket pair. If he bets I would call and check any river, except probably lead a T or 2.
 
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Just fold for me.

The price is too high to know his hand.

Agree above, just limp preflop. The thing here is, if one of those early limpers reraise you.
 
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it's a tough spot. can consider checking turn (or even flop), but my default is to play it the same. i think your sizing is fine on all streets too.
 
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Raising pre is pretty borderline considering you're on a readers table. I knowyoure trying to punish limpets, and likely have a stronger hand, but we're SB.

Turn bet as others have said is bAd. We Fold out 33-88 which will call a river bet from us.

Your thought process seems way off IMO, looking at your play and your comments. Do you play oftEn? I can see 3/6 being very expensive for you in the near future if I'm totally honest.
 
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I agree that you need to fold. As played I would check call the turn depending on bet sizing.
 
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