$600 NLHE Full Ring: Hit a set on the flop

Gunner57 · Jan 29, 2013

Hey all. It has been some time since I posted anything. I had this hand and thought I would get some feedback.

In an active 2/5 game Live game
SB- slightly nittish has about $200 in chips
BB- has been nursing his last $120 chips for some time
UTG+1 is a regular, suspect a winning player capable of strong bluffs and good laydowns has about $300-$400 in chips
Hero: on the button, has strong table image, with $260 in chips.

Action: Hero has pocket 6's
UTG: folds
UTG+1 Bets $10
Fold to Hero
Hero: Call
SB: Call
BB: Call

Flop:
9h, 6c, Jd

SB: Bet $15
BB: Call
UTG+1: Raise to $70
Hero: ?

If I call, I would be left with $180 in a pot that would be at least $210-350

If I raise, I may spook the overpair, 2 pair, or draws off.

Do you Call the $70 or do your raise?

vanquish · Jan 29, 2013

why does everyone have so little money

call and hope to string others along, do not fold on any turn card

OMGITSOVER9K · Jan 29, 2013

vanquish said:
why does everyone have so little money
call and hope to string others along, do not fold on any turn card

^ right, do winning players often short stack unless they're a pro SS?

vanqs line seems standard

Matt Vaughan · Jan 29, 2013

Flat. Even though over-calling should look strong, they won't realize just how strong it is, and we'd rather not scare anyone away. Once the pot is bigger on the turn obviously just get it in.

Tropwen · Jan 29, 2013

Before reading the other posts my answer was to raise the extra 190$ and go all in to make sure and prevent the draws from calling along

But to everyone else it seams like calling is the best option I personally I don't like playing sets passively with any kind of wetness on the board

What are your guys opinions on the shoving line of play and I'd like to know why calling is the preferred line :icon_scra

BLACKSTACK · Jan 29, 2013

Tropwen said:
Before reading the other posts my answer was to raise the extra 190$ and go all in to make sure and prevent the draws from calling along

But to everyone else it seams like calling is the best option I personally I don't like playing sets passively with any kind of wetness on the board

What are your guys opinions on the shoving line of play and I'd like to know why calling is the preferred line :icon_scra

To get more value out of a good hand, With that flop the only danger is someone catching a straight a 4-outer really, The value is a guy having pocket tens A-9 J-A and getting 2 pair. I am the same, I prefer to win a low pot instead of getting rivered but with trips a rainbow flop and a possible 4-outer straight id feel pretty good in odds.

hotace256 · Jan 29, 2013

what actually happened?

hotace256 · Jan 29, 2013

I like the shove all in. If the UTG guy raises pot size, it seems that he likes his hand and doesn't intend on folding. you can build a pot by just calling and possibly stringing others along. however ,just calling, the blinds may lose interest anyway(since the UTG guy's bet was pretty big already) , and by the time you see the turn, who knows...? it's not a super draw heavy board, but still.
I like the shove all in, just get one person to call. He likes his hand, so it seems there is a good chance of a call.
actually, even if shoved all in and everyone folded I wouldn't be too unhappy. that's just me.

youregoodmate · Jan 29, 2013

Tropwen said:
Before reading the other posts my answer was to raise the extra 190$ and go all in to make sure and prevent the draws from calling along

But to everyone else it seams like calling is the best option I personally I don't like playing sets passively with any kind of wetness on the board

What are your guys opinions on the shoving line of play and I'd like to know why calling is the preferred line :icon_scra

Why would we want this?

hotace256 · Jan 29, 2013

The draws can still play if they want, just give them a big disadvantage. there are too many possible scare cards that could come on the turn- 10, 5, K, maybe even Q. how would you proceed with 3 people in the pot? personally I would like to play the 666 while it's still hot. you still might get a caller.
Besides, what Gunner said - if he just calls he is left with $180 in a pot that's at least $200. You are not going to fold no matter what card comes on the turn- correct? so why not shove it in on the flop?

Gunner57 · Jan 29, 2013

The max buy in for this game is $300. The games at this card room are always short stacked and the players in general are not good (although there are a few regular good players like the UTG+1).

I think that everyone makes great points and is exactly what I was thinking in my head during the hand (want to string people along, but afraid if a Q, 10, or 8 come out- will slow action or loose my hand/most of stack).

As it played out. I shoved the flop. SB folded, BB called for last $95ish and UTG+1 folded.

Turn was a 5c, river was a 10h.

SB did not say what he had
BB had 2 pair 9 and J
UTG+1 had KK

In this particular case I may have gotten more value by calling the $70 bet on the flop and shoving the turn. However, in long run was not sure what would be the best line.

CAMurray · Jan 29, 2013

Gunner57 said:
The max buy in for this game is $300. The games at this card room are always short stacked and the players in general are not good (although there are a few regular good players like the UTG+1).

I think that everyone makes great points and is exactly what I was thinking in my head during the hand (want to string people along, but afraid if a Q, 10, or 8 come out- will slow action or loose my hand/most of stack).

As it played out. I shoved the flop. SB folded, BB called for last $95ish and UTG+1 folded.

Turn was a 5c, river was a 10h.

SB did not say what he had
BB had 2 pair 9 and J
UTG+1 had KK

In this particular case I may have gotten more value by calling the $70 bet on the flop and shoving the turn. However, in long run was not sure what would be the best line.

You did right, no way Im not shoving the flop there whereby letting possibly 2 OEers see a cheap turn card. Makes my butt pucker thinking about flatting that flop.

:motz:

OMGITSOVER9K · Jan 29, 2013

BB/SB stack sizes prob indicates one of them will reshove some of the time given the size of the pot, when he does and UTG calls we can reshove and UTG will probably have to call off and we get it in vs UTG's overpair/AJ/sometimes JJ and the other SS's weak hands.

worst case scenario everyone flats and we get it in on turns

ChuckTs · Jan 29, 2013

vanquish said:
why does everyone have so little money

call and hope to string others along, do not fold on any turn card

postflopper · Feb 4, 2013

protect your hand, ship flop

Jillychemung · Feb 4, 2013

Why does everyone hate making money so much??? This is an easy flat call to pull out a shove from the blinds or make it an easy shove for us on the turn.

Matt Vaughan · Feb 4, 2013

Jillychemung said:
Why does everyone hate making money so much??? This is an easy flat call to pull out a shove from the blinds or make it an easy shove for us on the turn.

This x 1,000,000.

frozensprx · Feb 7, 2013

postflopper said:
protect your hand, ship flop

This board isn't even that wet, if it had two to a suit and straight then maybe, but basically the only hand you fear is an openended straight draw, in which case you are a big favorite to win most of the time. You don't want to blow them out of the hand, so flatting is the right move in this spot.

fletchdad · Feb 8, 2013

Shipping flop folds most if not all hands we beat and only keeps hands that could possible - or certainly - hurt us in.

$600 NLHE Full Ring: Hit a set on the flop

Gunner57

Rock Star

vanquish

Legend

OMGITSOVER9K

Cardschat Elite

Matt Vaughan

King of Moody Rants

Tropwen

Rock Star

BLACKSTACK

Visionary

hotace256

Rising Star

hotace256

Rising Star

youregoodmate

Cardschat Elite

hotace256

Rising Star

Gunner57

Rock Star

CAMurray

CardsChat Elite

OMGITSOVER9K

Cardschat Elite

ChuckTs

Legend

postflopper

Rock Star

Jillychemung

Stacks & Stacks

Matt Vaughan

King of Moody Rants

frozensprx

Rock Star

fletchdad

Jammin................

About CardsChat

Our Community

Our Site