$600 NLHE Full Ring: Bottom 2 - tricky stack sizes

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$600 NL HE Full Ring: Bottom 2 - tricky stack sizes

Merge - $6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): $600.00
SB: $352.75
BB: $604.00
UTG: $621.00
UTG+1: $825.00
MP: $410.50
MP+1: $452.90
LP: $656.00
CO: $342.10

BB posts SB $3.00, UTG posts BB $6.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $9.00) Hero has 5 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, HJ calls $6.00, Hero calls $6.00, BTN calls $6.00, SB calls $3.00, BB raises to $42.00, HJ calls $36.00, Hero calls $36.00, BTN calls $36.00, SB calls $36.00

Flop: ($210.00, 5 players) T 4 5
SB checks, BB bets $150.00, fold, Hero ??

Making a loose call on the BTN here, I know, but I expected the BTN & blinds to also call. I wasn't surprised at the BB raise as he had done this a few times over the 200+ hands I had played with him. Of the times he's done this I have seen him fold enough times post-flop to figure he's capable of squeezing a bit light and even remembered one hand he showed down with 87s. Once the HJ calls the raise I'm figuring that the BTN &/or SB will call also so I call. A few hands ago I had lost set over set to a SS and had topped up. I think my image will be seen as tight and solid. After villain c-bets his stack is 429 and mine is 558 and the pot is 360, about the only hand I'm worried about is TT but that is too few combos in anyone's range to get me off this hand. I think a flat call here is out of the question, too many cards to come that will either kill action or cause me serious heartburn plus 2 still to act behind me. So raise size is the question?
 
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Well I would probably raise all in. Don't Listen to me though. Your obv a
much better player. Congrats on such high stakes that you play. I'm thinking you play the highest stakes out of anyone on this site by what I've seen

WTG jilly
 
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suited connectors

In my opinion you play these drawing hands to make two pair or better. this flop

has given you a well disguised monster hand vs this loose player. Option 1 I would think

a smooth call on flop and then maybe a potsized reraise on the turn to get full

value here. option 2 bottom two is quite a vulnerable hand multiway you may

want to re-raise the flop depending on how many people want to get involved

at that point. potsized or bigger you wanna shut this hand down on the flop.
 
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Which site?

I see via PTR that you don't play many ringames on FT and stars. do you have greater success on the other sites that you play on?
 
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I see via PTR that you don't play many ringames on FT and stars. do you have greater success on the other sites that you play on?

Merge network hasn't been supported very well by HEM or PT3 so a lot of players there have no HUD which I think helps me out a bit. PT3 latest beta just added Merge support so we'll see how that goes.

I got a 150% deposit bonus on FeltStars so I dropped a good chunk of my bankroll there. I haven't had the 'urge' to do the same on FT or PS or others.
 
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Get it in now. He's got an overpair that he's unlikely to fold a very large percentage of the time here. With stacks sizes as they are just jam.

BTW that site looks very fishy. How many games are generally running at 400nl+?
 
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Get it in now. He's got an overpair that he's unlikely to fold a very large percentage of the time here. With stacks sizes as they are just jam.

BTW that site looks very fishy. How many games are generally running at 400nl+?

+1... can you be up against TT? Yes, but imo the way the hand went he could easily have AA/KK as well. If he does have TT, well thats what good BRM is for.
 
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BTW that site looks very fishy. How many games are generally running at 400nl+?

Not many if at all at night. I usually see them running around the 4pm-5pm ET hours.
 
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Very easy Jam, nothing else makes sense. 3x (450) leaves 100 behind (pointless)... if we were stronger (i.e 55 instead of 44) I guess we could give some consideration to making a retarded looking raise of 310 or something with 250 left behind to try and induce 2 bad calls bc of super pot odds, but IMO villain doesn't continue lighter than AT+ anyway and probably doesn't fold to a shove the times he does have that. I wish the board was a tad more drawy so more draws can be weighed toward our range and thus we'd be called slightly lighter (certainly always by AT+), but it is what it is.
 
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Man I can't wait until the turn is a T and the villain shows up with 66.
 
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Fist pump jam this flop. Get called by overpair who puts you on a straight draw.

And I'm not sure I like the overlimp preflop. Obviously depends on reads on the other players involved, but i'd usually rather iso-raise here.
 
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Stack size is so awkward, plus we're multiway which means our already vulnerable hand is even more so, and clearly we're never folding given we block out lots of combos of sets and, well we have 2 pair in a 3bet pot on a dry board. So yeah, shoving's our only option.

Thing is a good 600nl player will be able to fold to your flop jam knowing there's only like 4 combos of straight draws (67s/h/c/d), but 6 of each set (18 total) and possibly your 2pair which would adds probably 2 more combos. You're basically never bluffing here, so that's 26 vs 4, and the 4 combos of straight draws have pretty good equity against his overpair for ex. I'm gonna make the assumption you're not a 600nl reg right jilly? If so, it means they will start adding more than enough Tx/spazz outs with JJ etc to your range to make it a call, so we're still shoving here %100 and expecting to get looked up a fair bit.
 
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Fist pump jam this flop. Get called by overpair who puts you on a straight draw.

And I'm not sure I like the overlimp preflop. Obviously depends on reads on the other players involved, but i'd usually rather iso-raise here.

+1. Overlimp fine if you're like 200BB deep, but this is too shallow of a stack for such speculation.
 
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