$600 NLHE Full Ring: Bet sizing with QQ post flop

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 50.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 6)
SB: 127.38 BB (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 105.4 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (UTG+1): 109.79 BB
MP: 48.07 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+1: 144.32 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP+2: 121.72 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 35.71, 3Bet Preflop: 40.00, Hands: 14)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q<font color='black'>♠</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font>

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) J<font color='black'>♠</font> 7<font color='black'>♠</font> 6<font color='red'>♦</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 4.7 BB, fold, BB calls 4.7 BB

Turn: (18.91 BB, 2 players) Q<font color='black'>♣</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 13.17 BB, BB calls 13.17 BB

River: (45.24 BB, 2 players) 2<font color='red'>♥</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 39.83 BB, BB ???

Am I missing value post flop? I usually bet 50% when there's more than 2 people to the flop. No real reads on opponents.

If he called and you beat him I'd probably say no you didn't lose value.

If I had AJ i'd probably call the flop and turn and not pay you on the river. But I prolly don't flat OOP with AJ... so if I was bad enough to flat there with AJo. There you have it.


That's the problem with top set, its hard to get value from decent regs... but we don't have much info on villain so he still is somewhat unknown.
It's hard for villain to have hands like AQ or QJ which will give us 3 streets.

If he raises us on river, xmas has come early and we shove and it'll be a cooler and we will be getting the best of it for a change.
Or if he does spaz out he could have a terrible missed flush draw.

Yeah I agree flatting AJo against a EP raise 3 way OOP seems like burning money.

Dominated by AA-JJ AK-AQs and you're out of postion.

If villain is planning on calling with AJs for two streets, I feel like they have to call on a blank river. The 2 of hearts definitely being a blank for both our ranges.

Yeah just make sure you note those guys who get sticky with 2nd pair or 2nd best hands... they your bread and milk

Only 8 hands on him. So not much info like you said.

He defended his BB so he can be pretty wide if he doesn't like to fold his BB. His call on the flop can be any pair, doubtful it's two pair. He could have any flush or str8 draw on flop. He can 89, T8, AXss, 45. plus several other combos.

Betting smaller there would get more calls.
His check shows he's not interested in putting more money in. He may call your big bet. But I'd say either go small or overbet the river huge... (just a thought) Never know, could be a hero caller...

Maybe his one pair hand will think you missed your spade draw and you are trying to get him off the hand...

On a wet board you can cbet more and still get calls. 7bb or so.

And just shove the nuts on the river. Villain likely has a draw, so he won't call anyway.

Can we also take this line
Bet 80% pot on the flop due to the wetness
Bet 80% again on the turn, again repping overs and the turn adds to draws
On the river bet 25% to get calls from hands that may otherwise fold or allow villains to spaz with a re-raise. On a bad river card we can check-behind or call a small bet.

How bad is it for villain to call River with AJ.

Is it a case of if Hero doesnt have enough flush draws then easy fold.

Also if River was a brick and not a Q then is it an easy call

if the villain was in the flush draw he probably would fold so the right thing is bet 50% of the pot

A lot of good responses.


I thought about this hand during a $200 NL table and 3 barreled shove on a dry board with the nuts and didn't get a call (pot sized bet on the river). Wondering if I had got a call if I didn't bet so much.

I think pot geometry is pretty important here:

By betting 70-75% pot on the flop and turn the pot will be around 57.5 BB before you river value bet.