$600 NLHE Full Ring: $600 NLHE Full Ring: QQ pf vs tight regular big 3bet

Hi guys would really appreciate comments on this hand.

Live game. Hero: ~$1000; Villain: ~ $ 1500

Hero has played with Villain for quite a lot. Villain is tight in general. occasionally make some plays.

Last hand of the night and Villain had a relatively quiet night prior to this hand.

Hero picked up QQ on the button with straddles on. 3 people called the straddle already so hero decided to make a big raise to $85. Villain in the BB 3bet to $280. Villain is not the type of guy who 3bet light out of position so Hero had to put Villain on premiums. Any 4bet definitely means all in pf and Hero didnt want to be flipping at best.

Hero decided to take a flop in position, which came 257 rainbow and Villain open shoved. Given it was a straddled pot and loads of dead money, it was possible that Villain was airballing but very unlikely. Hero open mucked and Villain claimed he had AK afterwards. (not sure about that)

I know people will be crucifying me for not 4betting or fold. But given my understanding of the opponent, he can only have AA, KK, AK, JJ, or maybe 10s. I wasn't sure shoving my entire stack at the last hand of the night hoping for a flip was the best thing to do. Folding Queens in position in a straddled pot with so much dead money sound weak to me too. In retrospect, I agree I should probably call on a baby flop but I just thought it was so likely that he had KK Or AA.

Would really appreciate comments on QQ pf in general.

Lol if your saying you think he has aces or kings then why call I mean I know that might not be what he has but its what your thinking...

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Fold pre. The call is bad in general if the villan is a nit not at high stakes only.

And js you want to get it in good pf which that looked good tbh the way your thinking if your gonna raise and get 3 bet that huge id fold but if you have him on kk aa or ka what if the board has 10 j q rainbow then id be confused on what to do with his cb... just my newbie opinions lol

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This hand comes down to an assessment of preflop range and continuation betting percentage. If his 3 bet range out of the blind is AA, KK, QQ (don't forget chopping), JJ, and 1010...on a flop of 257, you now beat about 2/3 of his range (AK, JJ, and 1010). Assuming he is betting almost 100% of flops with all of his preflop range (which he should be), AND you are now getting nearly 2 to 1 to call off your last 715, this is a very straight forward call. A greater than pot size bet on the flop also indicates more of an AK/squeeze range to me rather than a premium AA/KK hand. A good continuation bet on this safe of a board with 100% of his range should be about 350. This is especially a call IMO with the factors of it being a straddled pot with dead money, and you opening the button after 3 limps. The probability of this being a squeeze seems greater than normal. Given the squeezing dynamics, I don't think folding preflop or on a 257 flop is an option. However, 4 betting a 1k stack preflop is.

Ship it preflop.

Problem with the call and then fold to a shove is that, villain is shoving post flop in a ton of scenarios with hands you are beating as well such as AK. So you either need to decide that he has AA or KK and fold pre or be willing to get it in because the way you described your hand its almost as if you are set fishing by calling the 4bet then folding to a shove on a pretty good flop.

I don't see a need to move in preflop. I think a chunk of his range in this spot is a squeeze range that QQ crushes. AK should never be folding, and you already lose to AA/KK, so why not 4 bet to 550-600 with plans to call a 5bet? This accomplishes the exact same thing, but allows the villain to possibly freak out with a squeeze hand, and call or 5bet all in. I don't see a point to jam and fold out the entire range that you beat.

Appreciate the comments guys! I guess I was kinda hoping he would slow down on certain board; or to a certain extent, looking to fold on an ace high or king high board.

Re Guru: SO in your opinion, if I 4bet I am calling his shove 100%? Do you think a TAG opponent would take the same line with Jacks?

Guru44 said:

I don't see a need to move in preflop. I think a chunk of his range in this spot is a squeeze range that QQ crushes. AK should never be folding, and you already lose to AA/KK, so why not 4 bet to 550-600 with plans to call a 5bet? This accomplishes the exact same thing, but allows the villain to possibly freak out with a squeeze hand, and call or 5bet all in. I don't see a point to jam and fold out the entire range that you beat.

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If you have been playing like a rock then consider folding otherwise ,
ship it or 4bet.
4bet actually looks stronger as you will be putting over half of the effective stack in and never folding.