[5NL] Trips facing a river shove

No information on the villain as he had only just sat down

poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $7.06 (141.2 bb)
SB: $4.52 (90.4 bb)
BB: $6 (120 bb)
UTG+1: $3.54 (70.8 bb)
MP1: $2.96 (59.2 bb)
Hero (MP2): $5.67 (113.4 bb)
MP3: $3.39 (67.8 bb)
CO: $1.48 (29.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with T A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 4 folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.62) T Q 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.52) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.52) T (2 players)
BB bets $5.25 and is all-in Hero ????

Forgiving the raise in mp with A10o which as an after thought is a bit too loose for my liking, what do we do on the river here, I slowed down on the turn because of the over card but the river gave me a problem. Would you call here??

Trips, top kicker, insta-call. Also, mind explaining your reasoning for the flop bet?

Often this is going to be 33, QT, but its a worse T or AQ often enough to profitz.

PF is a big marginal, but I call on the end and expect to be ahead. Unless he played 33 really terribly, I'd expect him to show up with a random 10, maybe something like AQ or KQ..yea..call.

Agree with the above - call this expecting to be ahead of worse tens and Qx most of the time. This is probably a bluff (an awful one, granted) some of the time too, KJ or something of that ilk representing a ten.

If I were going to be worried about any one hand it'd be QT - weird line for that to take though, you'd think QT (or any boat, for that matter) would make a smaller value-sized bet on the river.

yeah would diffinity call especially since he/she didnt reraise you on the flop i put him on 10 J or higher kicker maybe 10 K but im pretty sure you got him beat. there a very very low chance he has QQ but its possible but based on his play dont fit too much.

I would call yes. He probably has QQ or Q 10 I'm guessing.

but you don't know that for sure. I would call.

c9h13no3 said:

Trips, top kicker, insta-call. Also, mind explaining your reasoning for the flop bet?

Often this is going to be 33, QT, but its a worse T or AQ often enough to profitz.

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I c-bet the flop because people give up so easily at 5nl that its almost criminal not to, this is something that i'm going to stop doing so often though because i've noticed that i sometimes get 1 or 2 players on a table that will call the flop bet because they know i'll slow down on the turn. Clearly there are obvious spots even at 5nl to not cbet but the majority of the time a cbet will take it down on the flop

Do you want a player with a hand like JT or pocket 8's to give up?

This is 5nl we're talking about here. Enough worse 10's or bluffs here to make call good.

c9h13no3 said:

Do you want a player with a hand like JT or pocket 8's to give up?

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I see a lot of players floating at these limits with those types of hands, so it's almost a value-bet on players with such a wide range. Granted they're not always floating for the right reasons or have a good plan for the rest of the hand.

I really don't see the typical 5NL player folding JT on this board, and not sure about how much more we get out of 8's on this board...guess it's possible.

I'm glad the majority have said to call this because i did..... and he turned over a house 3's full.

c9h13no3 said:

Do you want a player with a hand like JT or pocket 8's to give up?

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Against an unknown player with an over card out and a drawy board.... i think i do want him to give up, surely we open ourselves up to a bluff if we then check the turn after cbetting the flop?? And if we check behind on the flop and then the villain sticks out a big bet on the turn can we call with the over card there?

I'm not trying to argue or anything, you know a lot more than i do, so what line would you take here? Omitting the bad raise pf of course lol

orangepeeleo said:

And if we check behind on the flop and then the villain sticks out a big bet on the turn can we call with the over card there?

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Depending on the turn card, and our reads on villain, yeah we most certainly can! You can still win pots with 2nd pair (I win a ton of them). But 2nd pair is a bluff catcher or a draw. Its hard to find situations where you can bet it for value.

Think about it this way. Both AT and AQ have the same equity against a hand like 8♥8♦ or 7♦6♦. But by betting this flop, we allow hands like a flush draw to bluff us off of our hand & we fold out 88 and other middle pairs. Our hand has good showdown value, so lets induce some bluffs and get to showdown. And last but not least, our hand can improve against a Q. Any ace, ten, or diamond improves our hand.

The only time I'd c-bet this flop is for value against a super calling station who is peeling the flop with tons of hands other than top pair. And since this player is an unknown, we just can't assume that about him yet.

So yeah, I'd check back this flop, and call any turn that was a ten or lower.